Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs.psychedelics Subject: Re: Ecstasy and Acid together? Date: 27 Dec 1994 17:18:12 GMT [quoted text deleted -cak] This is commonly known as "candy-flipping". I'm not sure why. I've only done it once, and I found that there was indeed a powerful, synergistic effect. The common procedure is to take the LSD about 3 or so hours before the MDMA, so you're just starting the peak of your trip when you begin to roll. Dosage wise, I tried ~150-160ug of LSD with ~100mg of MDMA. The combination was extremely powerful. Although I had had a very bad day I was enjoying my trip. About 20-30 minutes after I took the Ex, I could feel the onset. Its difficult to explain, but as I was already tripping I felt in great detail the beginning of the MDMA effects on a very physical level... I could feel the speeding of my heart and breathing, and felt the MDMA-ness go from my center and spread gradually to my limbs. This all may of course be psychosomatic. As the Ex took effect, the visual characteristics of the scene began to change, and I found that my emotional reaction to objects and people *strongly* cast their appearance. There was a definite combination of the MDMA "everything is beautiful" look and the Acid's power to warp the actual appearance of things. As the evening went on, I started to find the combined effect unmanageable. As I said before, I had had a bad day, and I was probably in a poor set for trying a new psychedelic experience. Gradually I became overwhelmed with sadness and despair about all the things I had done and said wrong over the last few days, and became extremely mentally and physically disoriented, and I needed a friend's help to get me through the rest of the evening. All in all, I thought it was an extremely powerful and interesting experience, and parts of it I truely enjoyed. MDMA seemed to powerfully reinforce the reality bending aspects of LSD, and LSD opened a new door on the emotional projections of MDMA. I will definitely try it again, as soon as I feel comfortable with it (this was my first negative psychedelic experience in about a year of use). Good luck ============================================================================= Newsgroups: alt.psychoactives,alt.drugs.psychedelics From: Craig Stodolenak Subject: Re: Ecstasy and Acid together? Date: Wed, 28 Dec 1994 09:57:55 GMT [quoted text deleted -cak] Yes, _very_ well. I tend to build up a tolerance to MDMA quite readily, so for several reasons I take it about once a month (LSD much more often). But when I do, I always mix the two. E by itself, for my preference, doesn't last nearly long enough or have strong enough of an effect (anymore, anyway :). I've never tried taking the acid before the E, always the other way around. Usually about two hours after taking the E, I take the A. This coincides with just coming off the rush. Because the E has such a strong calming "everything will be okay" effect, it works to totally take the edge off of the acid and allows me to take much more than I normally would alone. Dosages are entirely subjective; I'd say start small and build to a level you're comfortable with. Try one capsule and one tab (~100mg and 125mcg) to begin with and see what happens. Some people are very sensitive, some aren't. The acid when taken in conjunction with the exctasy, unless you take a lot of it, doesn't seem that much like acid at all. It extends and heightens the E buzz for a few more hours. I espeically recommend it if you're particularly fond of acid... it acts as a safety buffer and allows you to go a lot further than you normally would. Jaw clenching and other E-type reactions are heightened, so be prepared. I've heard from other people that A and MDA or MDE work well, too, although I've never tried it personally. Take care, and be careful. -- Craig L. Stodolenak archon@acid.com