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extracting from cough syrup
« on: July 19, 2010, 07:41:21 am »
err.. aight, not sure if im crossing any lines here, or how (un)appropriate this is for here, buuut..

i got this OTC syrup here, dirt cheap, national brand & product.

only actives are ephedrine hcl (2,5mg/ml), ethylmorphine (1mg/ml) & thyme liquid extract (120something mg/ml).

inactives:

sucrose
disodium edetat
glycerol
macrogol 400
ethanol 96%
sodium citrate
citric acid monohydrate
sodium methylparahydroxybenzoate
distilled water

i could possibly get rid of (most of) the inactives by double extracting with, first methanol, then toluene/xylene.

i might have an idea how to get rid of the thyme too.

what's left is - how do we seperate the ephedrine from the ethylmorphine?

it'd be awesome if this works out, cos 140ml cost me less than 2$.
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2010, 02:06:54 pm »
I am constantly in awe of the variety of ingredients that can be considered "cough syrup actives" in some parts of Europe. The states has DXM, codeine, and hydrocodone almost exclusively. I don't think there are any ethylmorphine products available here.

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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2010, 02:20:48 pm »
Well if you look up morphine and ephedrine solubility you might see they both seem to have to same solubility profile so I'd guess a recrystallization from dried material might be about the best thing you could try.

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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2010, 03:22:08 pm »
Well if you look up morphine and ephedrine solubility you might see they both seem to have to same solubility profile so I'd guess a recrystallization from dried material might be about the best thing you could try.

yeah, exactly my problem.
recrystallization using what solvent you think?

Organic, ethylmorphine is pretty much almost the same thing as codeine.
Which I experienced today for the first time. Its effects were noticable, even got a morphine-like buzz, not the piece of shit I thought codeine to be. But the itch... ahh, the fuckin itch, driving you insane!
« Last Edit: July 19, 2010, 03:27:15 pm by trylobeet »
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2010, 05:19:30 pm »
if ethylmorphine does what i think, i wouldn't bother separating. it would be a speed ball of sorts
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2010, 11:19:01 pm »
Yea I'd personally be happy with the speedball because I don't like opiates anyways but if you want to try the reXtal route, I would first read this:

http://www.hartnell.edu/faculty/shovde/chem12a/lablecturehandouts/recrystallizationlecture.htm

then probably read this bottom paragraph:

http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA6/MAIN/1ChemLabMenu/Separating/F_1SOLVE_MENU/G_2SOLVE/G_2SOLVE_10/MOVIE.HTM

then probably go to work starting with ethanol, methanol and water and 50:50 mixtures of each. 

by this time you will probably just be tired as hell anyways so just drink the freaking speedball mix.   :-)

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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2010, 06:25:28 am »
im well aware of what recrystallization is, have attended the lectures and practicum in the uni.

and i have (drank the freakin speedball mix), in high school.

now, i need to seperate the E, as refined as possible, given the givens, or just say fuckit.

in turkey they sell pure ephedrine in almost every pharmacy, completely OTC and dirt cheap.
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2010, 11:36:37 am »
ok, how about simple ghetto steam distillation, using a non-aluminum pressure cooker.
shove the pills/syrup along with NaOH (maybe also NaCl, wouldnt hurt) and water in the PE, tube it to a receiving vessel (e.g. wine bottle in cold water bath). acidify & boil down to a comfortable volume, extract twice w NP (toluene), evap.

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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2010, 11:46:17 am »
if ethylmorphine does what i think, i wouldn't bother separating. it would be a speed ball of sorts

ethylmorphine is pretty much almost the same as methylmorphine, which is codeine. 5 to 10% of ingested codeine is metabolized to morphine, even less hitting any central receptors. at 1mg per mil that's 140mg. it might give you an itch. and next to 350mg ephedrine, which is a dose i might very well have a cardiac arrest at.
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2010, 03:23:35 pm »
Didja check the MSDS for them? It might be easier to separate the two than ya think. Also why are you thinking methanol for the first pass? Its safe to assume that all the contents are already highly likely to be soluble in methyl seeing as how they are already dissolved in ethyl.
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #10 on: July 21, 2010, 03:29:16 pm »
Didja check the MSDS for them? It might be easier to separate the two than ya think. Also why are you thinking methanol for the first pass? Its safe to assume that all the contents are already highly likely to be soluble in methyl seeing as how they are already dissolved in ethyl.

yeah, its stupid, it occurred to me too, fuck that.
whatdya think about steaming it? ephedrine base is volatile with h2o steam, as my experience with Ephedra also confirms. :) then extracting with toluene, leaving whatever possible junk that might have come over w the steam, behind.
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #11 on: July 21, 2010, 06:26:38 pm »
ethylmorphine is pretty much almost the same as methylmorphine, which is codeine. 5 to 10% of ingested codeine is metabolized to morphine, even less hitting any central receptors. at 1mg per mil that's 140mg. it might give you an itch. and next to 350mg ephedrine, which is a dose i might very well have a cardiac arrest at.

In that case the question is still the same, albeit for a different reason; why bother?  Unless you want to make meth, mdma, or one of the many other phenethylamine based psychoactives.  I doubt that is what you are after, or you probably wouldn't need to ask this question (or you aren't qualified to continue)--  I am not saying you aren't intelligent, just that you are getting ahead of yourself if that is what you are after.
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #12 on: July 22, 2010, 12:12:23 pm »
mdma?
how would you make that from the given ingredients?

crystal meth, if you got all you need in front of you.. - why not?
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Re: extracting from cough syrup
« Reply #13 on: July 22, 2010, 06:14:04 pm »
I think synthesis of illict drugs is prohibited here and I don't know the actual procedures anyways -- only that they exist, but https://www.synthetikal.com/ used to have the procedures if you can find an archive.  They move their forums around a lot, unfortunately I don't know what the current address is.  I hear the hive has related information aswell.
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