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How to get find/make GBL
« on: April 06, 2010, 04:45:04 pm »
After hearing lots of good stuff about GHB, and developing an interest in it, I'm wondering how one could get GBL (now that it's a watched chemical or whatever).  I'm not talking about source discussion or anything, just what types of houshold chemicals, etc. might have GBL in them, or pehaps other chemicals from which GBL could be made.  I haven't seen much discussion of anything like this, any help is appreciated.


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2010, 05:05:13 pm »
GBL used to be in some chrome polishes and fingernail polish removers.  Used to be able to buy it in 55gal. drums.  It is no longer available like this though.  Some ink cartidges have GBL in them still, but AFAIK no one has been able to seperate it from all the toxic crap w/o chromatography.  So the easy synth is no longer feasible.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2010, 05:31:22 pm »
so the old GBL into GHB route isn't really there anymore (barring one finding a connect for GBL)

any good routes for synthesis that use chemicals still available?


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2010, 06:22:10 pm »
You may be able to find an online merchant  willing to ship it to you.  It can certainly be synthed, but I have yet to find a tech in the public domain.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2010, 11:54:38 pm »
You may be able to find an online merchant  willing to ship it to you. 

yeah.
mainland china.
it's hit & miss, so require sample first, if optional.
EU GBL market is going down, probably not even worth trying there.
i hold some of the last 'legally' acquired BASF grade lactone.
used to love the stuff.
nowadays.. not so much.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2010, 09:57:22 am »
GBL is obtained in 95%+ yields via 4 hr reflux with copper chromite (good luck on that) with 1,4-butanediol. Purification is still needed.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2010, 11:45:36 am »
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euphoria is short-lived, then drowsiness kicks in and it usually always ends with you falling asleep/unconscious with your dick dipping down your palm.

sounds like fun  :poundit:


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2010, 06:05:14 pm »
So all you got to do is order a chemical used mostly in explosives without so sort of anti-terrorist task force kicking in your door.  Hope you don't expose yourself to a toxic(verysmall) amount.  And best of all that the heat from the rxn, a spark, or open flame doesn't ignite the H2 generated... I have only tried gbl before the nail polish remover was pulled from the shelves, but I can't imagine ghb is worth all that-- not to mention the standard risks involved in the illict substance trade.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2010, 11:16:18 am »
so SWIM's got to reflux a highly toxic chemical that releases flammable hydrogen gas.  Yay.  Copper chromite is used in explosives, eh.  Probably highly watched then.  Fuckin' A

but a downer that enhances your sexual ability rather than decreasing it, and has no hangover. . . that sounds like the fucking holy grail or something. 

seriously, there's no better synths?


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2010, 02:09:40 pm »
You may have heard 'good stuff' about it but I suggest you do a little more research into it.
Like everything else...there's always a downside. You might want to focus on that with equal regard. It is anything but the 'holy grail'.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2010, 02:37:14 pm »
"addiction" and overeating, not to mention the constant sleep fever baking of your brain by excessive thermogenesis are some of the downsides. Also, your sweat may eat the paint off your walls when you pass out against them and I was noticing joint pain which I could only assume was from cartilage degradation.

Fuck GBL. Use 1,4-BDO.

Yes, there are other synths, all you have to do is look around. Don't you know about Rhodium's page by now?

The Sandmeyer synthesis is used with GABA to produce GBL & GHB in situ. Carbon monoxide is a byproduct & this needs to be run carefully.

Also, don't attempt any THF related reactions. You will die, or, at the very least, catch your location on fire. I promise.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2010, 05:13:26 pm »
these other routes will be checked out.  thanx  the rhodium archives are definitely kick ass

someone who isn't goat is travelling right now, and car camping, but once he settles down somewhere for the winter & gets a place, stay tuned for the "SWIEG attempts to synthesize a weird depressant, starts a fire, and almost kills himself with toxic chemicals, but finally succeeds and celebrates by jerking off while high" post.   :-D seriously, he has a big backlog of projects he's been considering, and can't wait to start a few of 'em.


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2010, 08:21:10 am »
Wiccan_Seeker actually created an excellent GHB synthesis from completely unwatched precursors such as MSG...

You can find it on the Shroomery... just do a search for it... it's either in the Chemistry Discussion or the Other Drugs section...
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2010, 11:04:44 am »
cool thanks!


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2010, 11:16:29 am »
"addiction" and overeating, not to mention the constant sleep fever baking of your brain by excessive thermogenesis are some of the downsides. Also, your sweat may eat the paint off your walls when you pass out against them and I was noticing joint pain which I could only assume was from cartilage degradation.

Fuck GBL. Use 1,4-BDO.

Haha! Sounds like my kind of drug.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #15 on: June 17, 2010, 01:11:36 pm »
I'll add my .02 cents.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2010, 01:13:14 pm »
Wiccan_Seeker's MSG ----> GHB synth. . . interesting

it sounds theoretical at this point, but awesome if it really works--and they can never ban MSG, all the Chinese food would become flavorless  :haha:

what do people think of this route?  definitely seems worth exploring, and i'm not sure if anyone's tried it in real life yet


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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2010, 06:34:19 pm »
Wiccan_Seeker's MSG ----> GHB synth. . . interesting

it sounds theoretical at this point, but awesome if it really works--and they can never ban MSG, all the Chinese food would become flavorless  :haha:

what do people think of this route?  definitely seems worth exploring, and i'm not sure if anyone's tried it in real life yet

It's said to have worked, I believe by Acyl and a couple other members of the board...

Let us know how it goes. I'm curious to know myself.  :haha:
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2010, 06:49:38 pm »
Haha! Sounds like my kind of drug.
Remember when you were preaching about how good for you GHB was?
How it was a restorative and made you feel great?

It does. I love it. I just can't touch it at the moment. :)

I much prefer the GHB salt to either of the other two.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2010, 07:04:40 pm »
Haha! Sounds like my kind of drug.
Remember when you were preaching about how good for you GHB was?
How it was a restorative and made you feel great?

lol, I remember that. Talking about how GHB has all these health benefits to people, LOL. Like it was some magical age serum and you could be Peter Pan living forever on Michael Jackson's palace or something.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2010, 07:07:31 pm »
As for healthier skin, higher anabolism & better sleep, it's pretty much undisputed fact.

The anabolism is however offset by overeating in many people and the wonderful sleep tends to freak other people out at times.

The libido is a general plus for everyone involved IME...
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2010, 07:37:55 pm »
i concur, agree and confirm what Mis says about GHB.
pity, real pity that its nowadays increasigly difficult to get the 'good shit'.
i tried and played with the BASF grade lactone, not much better than the chinese shit.
IDK what the fuck has happened.
but for the 8 months i was on it, i SWEAR, it has blessed me with nothing but benefits, saying this now an year later, in retrospect - healthy short sleep, mood bordering on manic (in a good way), active, libido so high it might be problematic sometimes. the thing about the skin, immune system and all else, yes, it is true. opens you up to other people and the world around, not unlike MDMA. metabolites - just H2O and CO2. fuck, what more would one want from a drug?!
hell, even my liver enzymes significantly went down.

BDO, stay the fck away from.
i dont need any benzos or opiates or anything of that sort if i have an access to proper pharm grade GHB.

oh, and the dreams.
i always, ALWAYS have nightmares, if i dream at all.
the only beautiful, nice, vivid dreams i have ever had had been on GHB sleep.
i wake up energized and ready to seize the day, instead of suffocating from the horrible tick-tock of the day approaching.
but those times are gone, i guess.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2010, 03:58:34 pm »
Never had the GHB salt but tried BDO and GBL.  I think I actually somewhat preferred BDO.  However, in retrospect, I don't really think its the drug for me.  My golden dose was so low and always so hard to hit dead on.  Even a little too much would make me dizzy and nauseous and it would become very much not fun or euphoric (very similar to my response to opiates, actually).  On the other hand, too little would just do nothing, and then I'd try and take more and it'd be too much suddenly.

Even when I hit my golden dose, I never found it particularly prosocial, or at least it didn't do anything 2-3 beers couldn't do.  In fact, I can't think of anything BDO/GBL does that booze doesn't do at least as well, and moreover taste a fuck-ton better while doing it.  Of course, alcohol hangovers can get pretty nasty, and the one thing BDO/GBL does have going for it is the apparent lack of one.  In fact, I never noticed much in the way of side effects, positive or negative.  Sleep wasn't any easier to come by, nor was it any deeper.  The one time I took enough to be sick and pass out, I fell into this really weird, almost hypnagogic, state.  I had this crazy dream about being at a gas station on stilts 200 ft tall, presumably in a future where flying cars are the norm.  But it was late, in the dream, and no one was driving, and as I was stranded at this gas station, I tried to jump across to another platform.  I didn't make it and so kept falling until I woke up, and I remember waking up kinda pissed off and confused.

It combo'd on one occasion very well with threshold doses of cocaine and MDMA.  I'd repeat that again, given the chance.  Otherwise, it seems like it would be fun to do every now and again, for shits, but I don't get the whole habituation thing with it.

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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2010, 07:53:13 am »
Sold here as alloy cleaner (was 2 months ago at least):

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GBL is a prodrug of GHB- converts to more GHB by weight in your body (eg 1ml GBL metabolises to 1.4ml GHB), so don't see the need of synthesising ghb from gbl..

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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2010, 08:07:04 am »
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GBL is a prodrug of GHB- converts to more GHB by weight in your body (eg 1ml GBL metabolises to 1.4ml GHB), so don't see the need of synthesising ghb from gbl..

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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2010, 08:23:20 am »
yea, x were my suppliers back when i started using ghb.
good BASF grade stuff, yes. :)
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2010, 01:17:43 pm »
twingal: The conversion potency is actually somewhat variant and subjective person to person depending on several factors. And you're measuring GHB in terms of ml here rather than grams.

It also leeches sodium and potassium from your body (I think in an attempt to stabilize?) resulting in the inhuman munchies.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #27 on: October 03, 2010, 09:58:52 pm »
I suspect that catalytic hydrogenation of maleic anhydride or succinic anhydride with 30% Pd/C at elevated temperature would give GHB. Theres a japanese patent for just such a process using 5% Pd/C in ethyl acetate that gives 90% yields in 1 hour, but takes place at 75 degrees and 70 atmospheres pressure, which is a little outside the realm of your average pressure cooker.

EDIT:

I looked a little more thoroughly at the MSG method and it looks like a mess. It takes place in acidic and aqueous conditions so even once the nitro group is introduced there seems to be no easy way to control the reaction and insure cyclization. Addition of an alcohol functionality seems more probable, but side reactions could include the formation of lactam or polymerization of the whole mess. Even worse, the decarboxylation step mentioned will produce formic acid, which could react quite nastily with any nitrite remaining in solution. Either way, it's going to require some extensive purification and probably a lot of loss. This might be okay if you can't get anything else, but the same process could be used with OTC GABA as a starting material, without relying on cyclization/decarboxylation.

In fact, the bees of yesteryear did just such a thing with 70 percent yields.

I'd love to see someone try it and the yields assessed, but its by no means as easy as he made it out to be.

Also from the old rhodium archives was a mention of 4-methyl-ghb, an analogue with a 7% increase in potency over the parent. This is cool because there are several methods of preparing this compound, including a gentler hydrogenation of valeric acid with a nickel catalyst(expensive, regrettably). or by hydrolysis of valerolactone, which is not regulated in the way that GBL is.

And for the record, 1,4 BDO is not a safe chemical to purchase anymore. Hasn't been for awhile.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #28 on: October 06, 2010, 12:41:48 am »
It also leeches sodium and potassium from your body (I think in an attempt to stabilize?) resulting in the inhuman munchies.

strange thing is, unless you're doing BDO, which pretty much puts you in a constant eat-shitting cycle (i damn you for ever mentioning it to me :D ) , as it speeds up peristalsis as much as it stimulates appetite (being alcohol and all, i guess), you don't really fatten up, no matter how much you eat. at least that's how it is with me.
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Re: How to get find/make GBL
« Reply #29 on: October 06, 2010, 01:12:09 am »
I got tubby toward the end what with 7 big meals a day 24hr period. Of course I wasn't sleeping much and I was smoking ungodly amounts of pot and 018 ATT too. :roll:
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