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New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« on: April 11, 2009, 02:29:37 pm »
This is not my invention, it is a variation on a yopo tek that has been getting used on MHRB and I just wanted to share it since lye and even naptha are getting hard to find and my friend has discovered that it works very well.
Basically, you grind your MHRB fine and mix it with an equal weight of calcium hydroxide and add enough water to make a paste - about as thick as oatmeal. Let this stand, stirring occasionally for a day or so and then spread it out in a glass pan and let it dry thoroughly. Once it's dry, crush it up into a fine powder and cover it with acetone. Get it good and soupy - the only disadvantage of using too much acetone is that it will take longer to evaporate. Stir this around for a few minutes and pour the mess through a cotton cloth, squeezing out as much acetone as possible. Run the acetone through a coffee filter a couple of times and evaporate.
My friend did this on 50g of bark and scraped up 350mg of pink/tan powder that an initial assay showed to be very strong and seems a mix of all of the alks in MHRB.
This was just a first rough test extraction. The yield would surely increase on a more careful run, using a second acetone soak, etc. The product can probably be cleaned up a bit too - it's very rough - and the various spices separated if desired.
Sodium carbonate, which is more readily available than calcium hydroxide, could probably also be substituted.
If a defat step could be incorporated, this procedure could work very well for other DMT containing plants which are a bitch to extract with an A/B.
So there it is - I'm hoping that a few eager young space cadets out there will play around with this and post their results and maybe we can refine this down. If someone wanted to do the carbonate versus hydroxide comparison (only where legal of course) my friend would be eternally grateful since he's getting a little behind and didn't really expect this to work so well and warrant so much further investigation.
I'll leave this stickied for awhile.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2009, 03:45:26 pm »
Crazy! Im gonna have to read more!
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2009, 04:11:58 pm »
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2009, 06:28:27 pm »
There are several other NP solvents that can be used too.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2009, 07:39:30 pm »
Damn, looks so easy even I could do it.

Would the same process work for the mesc molecule?

btw naptha still on the shelves at the Big Box and paint stores in my hood that cater to pro painters as opposed to stores that cater to housewives painting bathrooms.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2009, 08:00:55 pm »
Would the same process work for the mesc molecule?

btw naptha still on the shelves at the Big Box and paint stores in my hood that cater to pro painters as opposed to stores that cater to housewives painting bathrooms.

Hmmm...
I guess someone with a shitload of cactus would be the best one to answer that question....
One woul need to do a lot of defatting and have to salt out the alks, but this could be quite a time saver.

Naptha isn't as gone as lye, but it's getting there.
The big boxes up here have replaced it with odorless mineral spirits which is useless for freeze precipitating and takes forever to evaporate.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2009, 02:33:13 am »
Naptha will always be around for anybody that has a still.  :wink:

Caustic bases will also always be around. I think...

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2009, 04:47:17 am »
So is it more easier to get Ca(OH)2 than NaOH or something?

They are basically the same thing (strong base).

Sodium carbonate however isn't, but as long as the base is strong - which means dissociates completely, in theory - it should be the same.

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2009, 08:51:21 am »
Sodium carbonate, however, is not as strong a base as the other ones mentioned. I don't know how much it matters considering this process. The conjugate acids, that determine the basicity of a compound according to Brønsted-Lowry theory, are carbonic acid and water. Because water is a weaker acid than carbonic acid, the OH-bases are stronger.

However, the strength of an acid or base doesn't correpond completely with its corrosiveness. According to wiki, carborane superacid is about 1 million times as acidic as HCl and still it is nearly non-corrosive, while HFl cannot be stored in glass bottles, because it will eat them.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carborane_superacid

In this process, as far as I understand, one of the functions of the base is to help decongest the plant material. But if did work, then this would be a method that would free people from acquisition of stuff like NaOH.

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2009, 07:26:36 am »
delightful.
thank ya noman.

14 replies before i went on posting...figures.

i tried the previous well-known tek, 2 failures until i got it (its always smth simple that you miss), and then - ZANG! couldn't have in any way been prepared for this. needed nearly an hour to catch my pulse (while smirking).

i peronally have access to pure, no heavy metal diluted granulated NaOH that just does the trick, and so does barbeque fuel. but the latter i prefer getting from a bottle saying PETROLEUM ETHER.

but hey, yo, great you share this, thanks again.

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2009, 06:01:02 pm »
Someone should make a video of the procedures so viewers can have a visual idea of the procedures ahead of time.  It would be way better than QT's tek with just a few pics!
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2009, 08:59:00 pm »
Someone should make a video of the procedures so viewers can have a visual idea of the procedures ahead of time.  It would be way better than QT's tek with just a few pics!

Newfound looks and sounds exactly like a volunteer :-D

I'll provide the appropriate soundtrack if you do the vid!
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2009, 12:03:47 pm »
Naptha problems? Hmm...Yep, try charcoal fluid - it works. Oh, and what about *popular brand lighter fluid.....The NP solvent selection might have taken a little hit in the last few years (Toulene, etc..) but there's still plenty OTC to choose from!




edit: watch the brand names :wink:
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2009, 12:11:55 pm »
I'd distill those as I was under the impression that they're contaminated with other oily things... *popular brand lighter fluid in particular.

If you do; DO NOT USE FANS OR OTHER POTENTIAL SPARK GENERATING DEVICES!!! No flames or embers in the immediate vicinity SHOULD go without saying..

A friend was evaporating naptha on a DMT pull & a fan across the room ignited his house with him in it. Hospital for weeks & jail + fines...

Would DCM work? It's readily available in paint/varnish strippers & can be distilled freely.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2009, 06:44:54 am »
so what's wrong with barbq fuel?
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2009, 08:02:55 am »
Apologies on the Vendor dropping - unintentional.(although in todays society we need to remember that many products are this way. People tend to say "Kleenex, or Saran Wrap to denote the type of product not who made it....)
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2009, 09:58:41 am »
No worry, it happens.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2009, 12:31:17 am »
Well, despite that fascinating discussion on how to find and manufacture naptha and lye on a no naptha or lye tek thread I'm going to unsticky this and put up my friends experience using this procedure on cactus to be found here:

http://forums.lycaeum.org/index.php/topic,26953.0.html

I'll be looking forward to at least a page of discussion on making lye from hardwood ashes. :-P
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2009, 07:59:23 am »
I moced the discussion on how to make sodium carbonate into it's own thread so that people using other teks might be able to better find it.
http://forums.lycaeum.org/index.php/topic,27467.0.html

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #19 on: November 20, 2009, 02:06:00 pm »
 Lets pretend a couple of " eager young space cadets " finally got around to trying this.
 Lets pretend it went well, and these explorers are dreaming of a Pharmahuasca session, but also would like to try and vaporize a little first, to get to know the batch.
 Would giving the crystals an ammonia rinse clean them up enough for this?

Sorry to revive an old thread, but it seemed easier than starting a new one for this one question.

Thanks in advance.  :-D

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2009, 02:23:09 pm »
I could have swore this tek was posted in alchemists den like 2-3 weeks ago where the tek was refered as 'straight to base', but I checked and guess I must be losing my mind.  Assuming it wasn't a figment of my imagination, it was said that the extract was a crude looking goo, but surprisingly potent.
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« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2009, 04:07:25 pm »
 They imagined it came out a brownish red powder.

They'er sure if this was done it could be vaporized as is, but would be very excited to dream of clean, white spice.  :poundit:

 They can't wait to get their day dreaming schedules coordinated and try this stuff, pharma style. Been holding on to some THH for while now, waiting for the moment to present itself.
 Have enjoyed "the vine" a few times. Same with Rue seeds. Both are very nice, but descriptions of THH make it sound like the king of Harmala town!  :dancinhappy:

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2009, 05:37:50 pm »
I can't wait. I have been curious about THH for a while.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2009, 05:58:03 pm »
Damn I just noticed the op date, I am an idiot.  I think the thread I was talking about was probably this one.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #24 on: November 20, 2009, 08:29:43 pm »
They imagined it came out a brownish red powder.

They'er sure if this was done it could be vaporized as is, but would be very excited to dream of clean, white spice.  :poundit:

 They can't wait to get their day dreaming schedules coordinated and try this stuff, pharma style. Been holding on to some THH for while now, waiting for the moment to present itself.
 Have enjoyed "the vine" a few times. Same with Rue seeds. Both are very nice, but descriptions of THH make it sound like the king of Harmala town!  :dancinhappy:

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One would need to recrystalize with either naptha or heptane to get anything close to white.
The broader brown/red would probably be better for huasca - white spice orally leaves me a little flat.
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #25 on: November 23, 2009, 11:01:53 am »
 Brushing up on recrystalizing with either napth or hept.

Any thoughts on how this approach might work with Phalaris? Would probably require the defatting steps mentioned in the original post, I'm guessing?

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #26 on: November 23, 2009, 11:14:44 am »
One would need to recrystalize with either naptha or heptane to get anything close to white.
The broader brown/red would probably be better for huasca - white spice orally leaves me a little flat.

Hexane gives white ones too. But since heptane is less toxic, it should always be preferred.

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #27 on: November 23, 2009, 02:58:24 pm »
I overheard a friend talking about some material made from this method being smoked through a bong fitted with a bent glass pipe -- this was able to cool it enough according to what was said..... *_*
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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #28 on: November 24, 2009, 10:20:47 am »
Hexane gives white ones too. But since heptane is less toxic, it should always be preferred.

They did not know this. Many thanks.

I overheard a friend talking about some material made from this method being smoked through a bong fitted with a bent glass pipe -- this was able to cool it enough according to what was said..... *_*

Sounds intriguing!  *_*

Do you know if the material in question came from Mimosa root bark, or Phalaris grass?

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Re: New! No Lye, No Naptha, DMT Tek
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2009, 10:05:34 am »
I overheard a friend talking about some material made from this method being smoked through a bong fitted with a bent glass pipe -- this was able to cool it enough according to what was said..... *_*

Perhaps a bong filled with ice would work better than water as the water may leech some of the actives.
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