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Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« on: June 04, 2007, 06:19:14 pm »
Anyone else remember these things? Ever use one? Own one?

I can't seem to find anybody around here that can recall seeing them. I remember going through High Times issues that were older than I was (like, 7 or 8) and wondering what the hell it was. Now the old timers around here ask me what hell it is. WTF? Google's image search was of no use.

Well, this thing is over 30 years old with a corespondingly aged ball (~1 oz) of hash in it.  :mrgreen:



Not sure why I'm putting this here really. It's just generally weird, I guess. I'll get more pics.
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #1 on: June 04, 2007, 06:23:53 pm »
I've heard of such things but damn!
It looks like a freaked out hookah.
Can you post a rough diagram?
We can reverse-engineer the bastard!
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2007, 06:24:21 pm »
So, what is it? A vaporizer?
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2007, 06:36:00 pm »
No, its an isomerizer
If needed I've instructions somewhere (not the same manufacturer)

Some random B.S.
Most people can skip this....

Quote
I am not so sure what you say is totally true, I owned one, and operated one
for quite some time, you can do a batch in under 12 hours. Besides the sulfuric
acid, you need a "bonding agent" too, only about a 1% addition by weight. I was
 taught by the manufacturer to use, believe it or not Sherman's Cello Rosin as
the bonding agent. It workedgreat too!


Heya,
My folks had one, I want to use it to boil down roses and whatnot. My father said something about using alcohol to first pull the essense (whether it be THC or rose oil) into the alcohol, then to boil off the alcohol and condense it to seperate it from the alcohol. He also said something about buffering, but he couldn't be sure why or what exactly he used. Its been sitting in our shed for about twenty years, so it doesn't have the instructions any more.
Anyone know how I could make perfume with this thing?
Also, is possesion of one illegal? WTF gives with that?
Why not outlaw ovens and stovetops, or cheesecloth, or potting soil and sunshine...


                  ISOMERIZATION
                      Transforming Hemp to Primo Marijuana
                                  by  Mel Frank
                      Source: High Times Oct. 1990 p54-55
                     Keyed by Gross Genitalia, Oct. 3, 1990

The mysterious isomerizer was supposedly able to turn the most bogus bunkweed
into mind-bending hash oil. Did this miracle-machine really work? Mel Frank
delves deep into the isomerizer's murky past.


   Almost forgotten by today, a small industry sprouted, flourished and died.
The industry was the manufacture and sale of isomerizers -- machines sold
through head shops and mail-order houses that supposedly could miraculously
transform mediocre marijuana into potent hash oil. The oil could then be smoked in an oil-pipe or sprayed on inferior marijuana to enhance its effect.
   The earliest ad I could fimd for an isomerizer appeared in the seventh issue of a fledgling magazine called HIGH TIMES (December/January 1975) about the time HIGH TIMES was first becoming a showcase for drug paraphernalia. Thai
Power, Inc., an Alaskan firm, claimed their "Isomerizer" would "convert
cannabidiol (CBD), an inert and undesirable element, to pure THC resulting
in an increase in up to six times" in potency. The ad also claimed the Isomer-
izer could "convert low-rotating forms of THC as found in low-quality
marijuana and hashish to the more psychedelic and spiritual high-rotating
forms." Wonder of wonders! For only $275 (1975 dollars) amateur alchemists
could transform garbage to gold! The Isomerizer was the dream-machine of '70s
marijuana culture.
   In 1976, Thai Power introduced the mew model ISO2 for $159, but soon other
companies began to vie for the dollars of dopers looking for extraordinary
super-highs. Competition from imitators, such as the Maximizer at $29.95 and
Kik at $69.95, dropped the price  of the ISO2 to $99 in 1979. How popular was
the Isomerizer? An ad for the ISO2 in the March 1978 issue of HEAD magazine
claimed that over 20,000 had been sold. But by 1982, isomerizer ads and
isomerizer imitators had all but disappeared, due to introduction of anti-
paraphernalia laws.
   The idea of isomerization was introduced in a slim booklet, CANNABIS
ALCHEMY by David Gold, published in 1973. All the claims -- transformation of
inactive CBD to psychoactive THC, and conversion of low-rotating THC to
high-rotating THC isomeric forms -- appear in CANNABIS ALCHEMY. Whether the
commercial machines COULD isomerize CBD to THC as described by Gold is not the
issue I want to address here. They did a decent job of extracting raw marijuana resin from buds, leaves and stems. But unfortunately, isomerizers never got the chance to work as the dream-machine buyers expected.

WHAT WENT WRONG?
   Gold plainly says in his book that "the quantity of CBD is important." But
Gold and many other writers (including this writer) were led astray by the
faulty data published in the scientific journals of the day.
   Everyone -- isomerizer-makers and consumers -- wrongly believed that the
inferior marijuana sold in this country was poor in THC and rich in CBD. But
the fact is that inferior commercial marijuana in the USA is generally poor
in THC AND very poor in CBD. Isomerizer buyers spent time and effort trying to
convert something (CBD) that simply wasn't there.
   The assumption that inferior marijuana was rich in CBD began when scientists published reams of research on marijuana in the 1960s and early '70s that confused CBD with other cannabinoids, mainly CBC (cannabichromene). Early test procedures could not s
   Substantial CBD is fairly common in North African and Central Asian
varieties (Table 1), but usually not in varieties from Colombia, Mexico,
Jamaica, and US homegrown -- the majority of marijuana consumed here.
Surprisingly, high concentrations of CBD are not that uncommon in some Thai
and Afghani varieties. But smugglers seldom bring such CBD-rich varieties to
the USA simply because the product is mediocre compared to the THC-rich Thai
and Afghani, and, therefore, not worth importing.
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2007, 06:45:04 pm »






It's a big, stainless steel Soxhlet extractor, so far as I can tell. Right?

The weed sits in that steel basket with the glass receiver (flower pot lookin' thang) on top of that. 99% IPA is used during reflux (maybe with a drop of H2SO4 for H2O scavenging?) the condensate drips down out of the tower (looks pretty efficient to me) off of the towers bottom, which is recessed below the line at which it mounts the stand's frame... that is to say, it pokes downward, like a prolapsed butthole.  :-D

You can sorta see that the tower isn't flat on the bottom by how it sits... Also, the very top part comes off like a lid & a bag of activated charcoal goes in there to catch any odors, by my best estimation anyway...
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2007, 06:50:40 pm »
Regardless, this thing's design came from an unquestionably

:mrgreen: STONED ASS MIND!!!!  :mrgreen:
Thanks ST1R for the info!  8-)
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2007, 08:53:24 am »
So it is a reflux condenser with a basket of weed in the middle? How does it isomerize CBD to THC, sulfuric acid and quick lime?
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2007, 09:15:04 am »
I believe so. I think the weed is removed & the acid added & heated in the main body. Later neutralized with the soda.

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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2007, 02:02:41 pm »
Also, the very top part comes off like a lid & a bag of activated charcoal goes in there to catch any odors, by my best estimation anyway...

I am not sure what you mean by catch odors since it is an enclosed system the odor shouldn't get out.  Would seem to me that you'd want to put H2O in the top because of its specific heat to act as heat buffer to help maintain convection currents.

After the IPA runs through the weed and is collected in that flower pot does it get evaporated again leaving the goodies in the glass and ran back through the weed or is it finished running after all the IPA is evaporated from the bottom and collected in the glass?
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer
« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2007, 03:27:15 pm »
Well, you see, it's more like a straight tube up through the center. The fins are hollow & allow the vapor to condense in them as it travels upward. Their design giving it mucho surface exposure and plenty of heat dissipation. I think. ... I've never used one of these things... Looks good on paper to me though..  :-D

Anyway, it is not enclosed. The very tip has a screened hole in it. Stainless steel wire mesh here for the screen. The top half of the top saucer is just a keyed lid which you can turn & lift to remove. A cloth bag of activated carbon is sitting in there, atop the tower's central tube. That's why I had assumed a deodorizing trick... besides, it was meant for the average next door neighbor to covertly extract essential oils, right?  :-D

The SS basket seems to lower most of the way down to the bottom of the main cavity. Perhaps an inch or so space between them, IIRC. I assumed the little glass pot thing would sit in the center of the basket, perhaps atop some of the weed, collecting mainly the condensate precipitating from the tower's recessed, lowered tube.... leaving the heavier oils perhaps settling to the bottom of the glass pot, with the IPA flowing out into the weed again, hitting the hot cavity's bottom, to be revap'd and caught, oils present, in the pot... again..

But then one wouldn't usually assume IPA would evap with oils not being left behind...

I revise my half assed assumption now: I think that pot doesn't do shit at this point. I think maybe it's just the basket, some weed & refluxing IPA. Weed is removed when exhaused and oil/IPA poured into the pot. H2SO4 added dropwise to this and placed in the main cavity, heat cranked up, w/ basket removed... the oil is isomerized in situ by this with evaporating/condensing IPA simply returned to the pot as it's right below the tower's shit tube. 

I think... hellifiknow.

Regarding ST1R's info above: I've heard that this thing actually worked quite well in the desired role; favorable results reported by the old, brain baked ex-stoner I aquired it from... Not that he could be bothered to provide actual steps for it... I don't think he remembers much of that period in his life anyway... how he can definitively claim it worked well? .... .I dunno.

I've seen some people here speak out against isomerization as well. I think...
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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2009, 07:44:42 pm »
QUITE POSSIBLY MY CANTOS CLANDESTINUS!!!!

If Oscar from Sesame Street were a clandestine trashcan chemist, this is the stuff he would do...

I want to lower the bar & start from a slovenly, amoral & financially strapped yet innovative point of origin for the would be home experimenter.

I'm altering the course of this thread to something more shameful. This is to devolve into projects for the bathtub cook or the wanna be upper class bums. The kind of bum that'll hit you up for change down town while they let you borrow their cell phone to call a cab after all the transit systems shut down for the night.

The kind of bum that collects not-quite-empty bottles from behind bars and so on.... This is for the technically shameless. I hope you like it for whatever it may be worth. Which is usually somewhere at or around free.

Last night someone gave me a camping double boiler thing with another (triple boiler) reservoir in it. It's all aluminum and locks down with some pressure fittings on the lid.

Soooo, the idea was, fill the main chamber 1/3 or so with something to be extracted... drill some vent holes in the next aluminum reservoir that sits inside that but seals around the mouth of the main pot. Then a 3rd one goes inside of the second one for some reason and the lid pressure fits/seals them all together when you twist lock it..

I made a hole in the 3rd one to fit a glass flower pot type container deeply enough that the lid would still fit and the glass wouldn't be touching the 2nd reservoir below it...

I drilled 3 vent holes high in the sidewall of the 2nd reservoir as a first pass capture pan and allowing more volatile vapor to reach the lid where some scheme of cooling will cause that to condense and drip into the glass flower pot thing...

Look, they all just stack inside one another already, ok?

It works in similar fashion to the Thai Power Iso-2 as a soxhlet extractor but I was just curious if it might separate thermally distant fractions. I can see this working better with the center cut out of the lid and a cold finger adapted over the glass catch trap. The cold finger would be an aluminum or copper pipe with a cap at the end holding dry ice & acetone to center the condensate into the glass trap. Provided it's not SOOO cold you sublime whatever the vapor is into a solid around the cold finger tube... Which is precisely the effect you get when you notice your freezer is growing a frost ceiling and your ice cubes are shrinking.... Sublimation..

This is perhaps my most penultimate ghetto fabulous device to date. Maybe even more so than my 2 & 1 liter soda bottle DeWars type cold finger condenser (which is nice to have if your reflux column breaks in action, BTW!!)

Notice the 'personal massager' on the side? Hey! It's an agitator!









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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2009, 11:22:40 pm »
 :haha: Once upon a time 1 may have had one of those. Just a reflux device really.
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« Reply #13 on: March 10, 2009, 08:53:58 pm »
This is awesome!

I extracted the actives of about 1/4Lb catnip with methanol and then used my soxhlet extractor on low to separate the methanol from the pure catnip oil.... I mixed all that oil into maybe an ounce of dried catnip....

My cats are going fucking berserk. X-D

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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2009, 08:29:53 am »
Anyone else remember these things? Ever use one? Own one?


I wanted to get one from the first time I saw it in High Times.  Just never had the $$ to get on with it.


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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2009, 09:30:08 am »
Kermit,

is that really you?

how appropriate that a frog come out of hibernation in spring!

what diabolical invention do you have to share?
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2009, 02:44:25 pm »
I thought that isomerization generally used H2SO4 or another suitable acid.....Looks like this thing is made of brass???


Also, not to spam this thread but....Welcome back Kermit - if you are back.
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Re: Thai-Power Iso2 Isomerizer & Ghetto Ass Labware
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2009, 02:47:35 pm »
The Thai-Power ISO 2 is made of Stainless Steel.

And yes, it uses concentrated H2SO4 for the isomerization step.