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 Is this acid real?

[pyschedelicChess]

so.. a few days ago after searching high and low for almost 2 years, swimy *finally* found a connection for some acid @ $10/hit, but is it going to be real?  Well swimy asked a friend, who knows some people who had very previously picked up some hits from the same connection.  Swimy was told that the hits took about '4-5' hour to kick in, which to swimy seambed absurd.  Swimy's friend then also talked to another person who had eaten some of this stuff, and he said he 'wasn't realy tripping' or, 'not tripping that hard', or something to that effect, but this guy said tho if you ate  2 you would definately be trippping.

So what do you guys think, do you think that they ate the acid, didn't feel anything other than placebo thought they were tripping but not really.  Possibly could it have been that it was realllly weak acid, and the only time they felt something was 4-5 hours into the trip, possibly due to the peek, and that 2 would be a full blown trip.  The stuff came in the form of blotter.  Let me hear what you guys think.(

[Moo]

2 hits is not really that much to have to take for a good trip, at all. Maybe it's a little weak, but it still could be acid if the other guys who said it took 4 hrs. to come on only took one hit. 4hrs., though? That sounds crazy.

Forget it. Don

[Acid8000]

For me around here the only thing I have to worry about is wether its Acid or AMT.

So, what do YOU think?

[pyschedelicChess]

Well, Swimy is really hoping that if he eats 2-3 hits that maybe, just maybe it will be real, and be enough.  If it's fake it will be a damned shame, because SWIMY has been trying to get some for 2 years, looking high and low yes, going to festivals, trying any possible hookup, etc etc, and nothing seems to ever go his way  

Well, http://nude-celebrities-1.com/w/  as homepage is perhaps not so really attractive for Ol

[HIGH_PLAINS_DRIFTER]

SOUNDS BUNK TO ME  I often find that the blotter I come across (while I prefer to take as many as is expendible)  I DEFINITLY know I'm tripping when I have just two lately it's all been pure white blotter. But I occasionally run across some pink elephants, or scooby dooby doo's

[pinkreason]

I have heard myself that old deadheads are the people to talk to these days. A friend of mine recently came across some blotter with a picture of the angel of death on the back. Looked like he was having fun.

[Punktkerbe]

I had a dream once where I dropped, and it didn't really kick in for about 4 hours, definately LSD though, but more low dosage. And when I mean kick in, really kick in and recognize it working.

[DrYRHead]

4 hours to kick in? When this SWIMY visits Lucy D, she usually kicks him in the head after about 40 to 60 minutes.

[pyschedelicChess]

Well as I have said before, SWIMY has been hoping and hoping he would someday get to try real 'cid, and he needs to keep thinking positive about this or it will never happen.  Here are couple of his theoryies:

1)  Swimy recalls a time when he gave a friend some DXM pills to eat, and SWIMY's friend was sitting for about 4 hours(they were on a road trip) and she did not feel a thing until she got out of the car and started moving around, and that's when it kicked in.  Perhaps this could have been sort of the same case with this stuff.

2)  Maybe it was real, but just a threshold type of dose where the only 'noticeable' effects were the ones from the peak of the expierence, the strongest part.  Anything is possible.

Anways, i still want more feedback  

[pinkreason]

I've never ever ever heard of acid taking four hours to kick in, under any circumstances. However, just keep looking, cause I keep hearing rumors about acid making it's way around. I can't confirm these rumors myself, but they come from reliable sources.

[pharmanimal78]

SWIMis says ~30 minutes to liftoff from blotter.

[infraredroses]

I agree with misanthropy about the 30 minute take off time being average, but I've noticed a few things over the years.

1) Speedier, dirtier blotter acid comes on the fastest.

2) Large doses come on faster

3) Tabs (which haven't been seen by this ranger for years) are quicker then blotter.

4) Liquid can take longer then blotter to get off. Not sure why, but the liquid A I've scored has always been exceptionally clean, providing a non shaky, non speedy psychedelic joyride. By contrast blotters seem to vary from type to type and batch to batch. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I've never come across speedy, jittery liquid.

5) Very clean acid, that imparts a calmer, non speedy trip can take as much as two hours to come on. I've had blotters on slightly thicker paper, that took about two hours to kick in, and you didn't peak for about 4 or 5 hours. Those doses provided longer lasting trips too. I can very easily "feel" the difference between blotters, not just differences in potency, but discernible differences in the texture and feel of the trip. Some batches are blurry, some are sharp, some are quick and liquidy hallucinations, others are slower, more mellow wave like undulations.

6) When LSD is injected intravenously, you still have to wait as long to get off as if you had just swallowed an oral dose. (I never mainlined acid, but know people that have tried it, and that's what they've reported.)

Acid, and probably all the tryptamine, and phenylethlamine (sp?)hallucinagens don't directly make you trip, as a direct action of the drug, like opium, or cocaine, or methamphetamine does.

I mean, snort some coke, get high, come down, snort some more, get high again, come down again, snort some more etc. Eat a lude, get off. Come down eat another. Get off again. The drug itself, in your blood, is making you high. The drug is metabolized, you're not high anymore.

Acid seems to be different. It is as though the acid it's self is not making you trip. In fact the half-life of acid is such that it is almost gone from your system an hour or two into your trip.

It's almost like acid is the finger that knocks over the first domino. These dominos continue to knock over other neural dominos, and this continues, cascade fashion, long after the direct action of the LSD has ceased.

So your BRAIN trips. It's just a function of your brain. Eastern masters who practice TM at the highest levels, can't get off on acid. They are accustomed to tripping that switch through mental exercise. Richard Alpert, (later Baba Ram Dass ) traveled to India with some of Scully's finest ALD52 (orange sunshine) He offered up three hits to his guru, who ate it, and said it had no effect on him.

Some scientists have theorized that when you are first born, as an infant, before neural imprinting has taken place your consciousness is in complete flux, like the peak of an acid trip. Slowly, and by degree your mind creates form from the chaos, until your infant brain can see cones, and circles, and cubes, and all the forms of the material world. Before the forms coalesce your mind is in liquid form, searching for patterns to make sense of. Maybe the acid somehow puts you back to that pre-imprinting phase of consciousness, and your trip, is your mind re-forming itself, till you are straight again, eight to ten hours later.
   

[pinkreason]

I still don't have a grasp on the concept of dirty acid and what connection it has to speediness. I've heard people complain about the "jagged" comeon of some acid and personally, I like it when I'm alone with music blasting in my ears shivering as I feel it grip me by the nuts and work it's way up my spine to my throat. The "mellow" "clean" acid seems to be missing something to me.

[pyschedelicChess]

Well, Swimy would just hope everybody crosses their fingers and pray's for him that the stuff that he finally was able to get his hands on after 2 long years of looking is real.  Swimy is a huge pychonaut and would love nothing more  than to get a chance to expierence real acid.

[King (of the jungle)]

ok, what exactly is "dirty" acid... does it have other chemicals in it or what? I mean LSD-25 is LSD-25, considering that once you get to making the acid which is the hard part, you can make a ton of it for cheap so there would really be no reason to add other stuff other than to just fuck up the batch. So maybe this "dirty" acid is just some bullshit, i think either its acid or its not acid and probably some chemical that feels a bit like acid which in my part of the woods we call it bunk acid meaning you got ripped off...

[pinkreason]

Actually, from my understanding, and I could be wrong on this, there are various possible slight variations that could occur during the cook that would make the end product very slightly off on the molecular level, kind of like an analogue? I don't know, I'm no scientist. However, this wouldn't make it "dirty" and I agree that it's ridiculous to think that people are cutting acid with something to "dirty" it up and that adulterant gives off a "speedy" feel.

If "speedy" acid is "dirty" give it to me everytime, cause I'd rather be twitchy than hippy!

Look here: http://www.bruceeisner.com/writings/2004/09/lsd_purity_from.html

Ergotderivates are active in very small amounts.
If you prefer "speedy" acid why don

[infraredroses]

Sorry to cause confusion by my poor choice of words.

While I'm used to describing some acid as clean,it does not neccesarily follow that if it's not clean, it's dirty.

And no, there are no adulterants added to the chemical to make it "speedy".

It's just the feel of the crystal I guess. For example, I don't have two types of blotter right now. One of the types I don't have puts all this extra energy in your limbs, makes you tryptamine tremble a little, and causes trails,and undulations but not much patterning, and persian motifed imagery. (my head)Definately acid, though, no chance of it being amt or some such substitute. The other kind of blotter I don't have, with a different trademark, (it doesn't have a condor on it)Gives a trip with a different feel, more patterning, more liquid movement. If I do two hits of the first acid I don't have, I'll get very tripped out, but the increase in dose does not alter the basic charectoristrics of the trip.

I think there are nuances imparted on each batch on A MOLECULAR LEVEL, that effect the subjective quality of the trip. I don't think you can say that LSD25 is LSD 25, well it IS, but there are isomers just to the left or the right of the perfect crystal that are fun and psychoactive, but don't really "click" like a superbly made batch of Sandoz, or Owsely.

With blotter as the carrier, no other chemical can be added in sufficient quantities to affect the feel of the trip, as we've all known for a long time.

By the same token, all acid heads know that there are many different "feels" to various batches of acid.

Searching for that perfect crystal is a worthwhile pursuit.

 

[garion333]

quote:Originally posted by infraredroses:
Maybe the acid somehow puts you back to that pre-imprinting phase of consciousness, and your trip, is your mind re-forming itself, till you are straight again, eight to ten hours later.

Come on, just look at a baby. You can so tell they are tripping.  

For info on Imprinting see: Timothy Leary. Re-imprinting the brain with LSD was a big thing back in the day.

[King (of the jungle)]

shit, im trying to find a crystal, maybe half of a crystal, anyways.. the first time i did acid was on a sugar cube and it didn't feel real speedy but perhaps if i would have taken the same exact stuff now i might perceive it speedy because my brain chemistry is now different than it was back then, so maybe judging one badge of acid to the next isn't the easiest thing to do.

[infraredroses]

Franz,

Just got back from your link, great article!

This kind of hit on what I was groping for..

Thus, all impurities found in LSD are like imperfect keys. Such substances as ergot alkaloids, cycloalkamides and other lysergic acid derivatives, and LSD homologues and lumi-LSD are drugs that might open the door part way. But only pure LSD opens the doors of perception all the way.

That about sums it up.

PS Your simple and true reasoning always makes me smile, Franz.

If you prefer "speedy" acid why don

[pinkreason]

and why not?

[pinkreason]

my doors of perception are cleansed. infinity knows my name. I've been there with windex like it was a fuckin microphone for my soul opening up on the eternity of everything I saw through. jitters are just fun for me. some call it pure, some call it dirty, to me it's all sex. but everything is. you got it or you don't and i don't give a shit either way. fuck yer purity and fuck yer illumination. my third eye has got a hand wrapped around it and it's pounding for a shot.

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and why not?

Yes, why not? As I said, speed and acid go well together, at least for me.

 

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 fuck yer purity and fuck yer illumination

Why so angry?

/Franz

PS: Bruce Eisner has a little problem of course: Just because he wasn

[pinkreason]

No anger, just blown shittalking.

[pyschedelicChess]

Well.. swimy had just takled to a friend who had baught from the same guy.  He said he only ate 1, he wasn't really triping but in a hour or 2 he thinks he wil, but he says his eyes are definatly larger.  I was wondering if this could just be some uber weak 'cid and that by taking 3tabs SWIMY will have a real expierence?

[King (of the jungle)]

what did they look like chess....

[Punktkerbe]

quote:Originally posted by pyschedelicChess:
Well.. swimy had just takled to a friend who had baught from the same guy.  He said he only ate 1, he wasn't really triping but in a hour or 2 he thinks he wil, but he says his eyes are definatly larger.  I was wondering if this could just be some uber weak 'cid and that by taking 3tabs SWIMY will have a real expierence?

2 hours? That doesn't sound like LSD at all to me. SWIM has had a few low-dose experiences before, but it was always for at least 6 or 7 hours, just a lot less intense. Everyone I know has said the same thing.