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 Aliens on LSD

[x]

Now I know its pretty easy to make contact with what seems like alien entities on high level doses of psilocybin and DMT. But has anyone seen or made contact with alien entities on LSD, I have and from my experiences, and as long as the trip is clean and the dose is strong, I thought it wasn't that hard too do. But from over ten years of talking to people about it, it would seem it is.

When ever I tell people about my experiences with aliens it always buzzes them out, even if they are druggies. No matter what drug they have taken or how many they have not meet or seen aliens .But I have and I have heard of alot of people back in the day seeing aliens on LSD, but not so many now. Why is that?

I have had beautiful experiences with aliens on LSD, have you ?

[prolixity]

Now I know its pretty easy to make contact with what seems like alien entities on high level doses of psilocybin and DMT. But has anyone seen or made contact with alien entities on LSD, I have and from my experiences, and as long as the trip is clean and the dose is strong, I thought it wasn't that hard too do. But from over ten years of talking to people about it, it would seem it is.

When ever I tell people about my experiences with aliens it always buzzes them out, even if they are druggies. No matter what drug they have taken or how many they have not meet or seen aliens .But I have and I have heard of alot of people back in the day seeing aliens on LSD, but not so many now. Why is that?

I have had beautiful experiences with aliens on LSD, have you ?

I can name at least five moderately famous DJs who claim to be aliens sent to Earth to enact peace through dance...

[x]

Thats really neat dude.

[2a]

I think its interesting that just because people have some kind of subjective experience they think it automatically must be an accurate representation of reality.  How are you so sure the aliens you contacted aren't just entities of your mind?

[x]

In never said they weren't entities of my own mind.

You may think you are presenting me with some new material, but you aren't, I want really druggies.

[pylkko]

how are you sure that everything is not entities of your mind? how are you sure that you have a mind?

 

[x]

Man you dudes have got me guessing, Im getting paranoid.

But seriously has anyine else come across a batch of LSD with a picture of a little green alien on them. 'Bout ten years ago.

[x]

how are you sure that everything is not entities of your mind? how are you sure that you have a mind?

 

U, you have been nice too me so far, but in this instance you can get rid of the devil horns, I can't be shaken brotha.

You see I am totally paranoid, it is my initial way of looking at things. I always think that everyone I interact with is just a reflection of myself, that idea don't faze me at all, I got rid of that shit years ago.

My waking and unwaking hours are consumed with vicious delusions of the mind, or lack of, but it don't faze me, I just take the punches and move on.

[hermes]

How are you so sure the aliens you contacted aren't just entities of your mind?

How are you so sure that any of the beings you encounter are anything more than entities of your mind? How can you be sure that your own unconscious isn't generating this very text that you are reading now? How do you know that hermes exists independently of your experience and has a subjective experience of his own? How can you be sure that anything exists apart from your mind?

[ST1R]

I'm pretty sure hermes only exists in my mind.

Wait, what am I replying to then?

Damn this subjective reality.

Do you guys see him too?

Damn this subjective schizophrenia!

[pylkko]

Solipsm is only really a problem for people who cannot logically distance themselves from the idea of a fully correspondant realism. When they say "it only exits in my mind" they are already thinking about themselves as an object "wherein" the thought is, and because of this "fallacy" the issue seems paradoxical or illogical. Of course the answer to ST1R's question could just be that he is answering to the hermes in his mind. Mutual experience or concensus neither requires external objects to function, of course. It is still possible that all we experience is our thought. You need more radical ideas to counter this line of thought than what is given by ST1R.

[ST1R]

Ja! fer sure. My shrink said that seroquel would make the "u" voice go away but it hasn't worked yet.
I guess I need to up the dosage

[pylkko]

I other words, you didn't get what I was saying?

A stance that refutes the necessity of an exteral reality, does not need to refute the possibility of other minds, entities or intetions.

[ST1R]

whatever u think 

[Noman]

Don't all of these contextual/objective/subjective dealings dissolve under the influence of a few milligams or micrograms of brain chemistry?
How real can they be then?

[WeeDie]

When you dream, there is an apparently external reality posted to your senses, assumingly coming from your own mind.

When you're awake, what's to stop you from thinking this is your awake external reality, being posted to your senses by your own mind?

To differ in relation is only a matter of convenience from habit.

[ST1R]

To paraphrase someone (?)

"Damned be the dreams, for they fool the dreamer into a false reality. Upon wakening how can the dreamer know that 'reality' is true? Dreams are the destroyers of reality."

Now that I type it I realize how far that is from the original quote.
Fuck! Did I just agree with weedie?
Aw hell, maybe I am drunk
 Love ya you Swedish bastard

[Noman]

Aw hell, maybe I am drunk
 Love ya you Swedish bastard

Gawdamn you are drunk!
"This is Terminal Eden
Killer of dreams
Of hopes
Of Galaxies"
- Current 93

[WeeDie]

Fuck! Did I just agree with weedie?
Aw hell, maybe I am drunk
 Love ya you Swedish bastard

* WeeDie gives ST1R a kiss   

[Noman]

Yuk.

[Hyperspatial Ape Beausoleil]

Debates of solipsism can only go so far as the only implication of any relevant change in behavior is grokking the relativity or the impermanence of any reality model. Frankly, it's nice when people can get over the endless dry philosophical meandering and move on with the ability to see the limitations of any and every single modality. Otherwise, it seems like mere stroking, stroking, stroking.

 

Buuuuuuuut, back to the initial topic. Yes, x, I have seen aliens, or something I refer to as aliens, on LSD. The first time I saw what I considered alien arachnids made of purple light running around. I chased them and would stomp on them, but they would be reabsorbed into the ground. This, I should mention, was aided by benzos and gravity bong hits and was my first LSD trip.

The second time I followed meteors in the sky through a huge open field in night's isolation. I was eventually lead into a smaller circular area surrounded by trees where I found myself in the middle of a growing number of shadowy figures. I immediately recognized these beings as those I'd seen previously in my life while sober, starting when I was just three years old. They are three-dimensional shadows with little flecks of static throughout. They can make physical contact, but do not speak.

At this time in my life there was a lot of synchronicity and change leading up to this point, so I got the impression that they had an impersonal curiosity in what was occurring within me. They also seemed interested in what was happening to a severely disturbed individual I'd left back at a campfire a mile away.

This reminds me of alien abduction reports that speak of the entities as viewing emotions as toys. Some have spoken of alien children rotating objects that transmit different emotions depending on the angle. At any rate, my own curiosity eventually turned to the creeps and I took off running. I won't get into the other bizarre and seemingly supernatural things that happened over the next couple of days, even after come-down.

You could say that any entity encountered in these spaces is an alien because it is unknown. Conjecture is fun, and so is metaphor. I like to play with these ideas, to see otherworldly entities as the shadows of seed forms of my own quantum selves gaining strength through interference. I also see them sometimes as functions of sensory digestion that have necessitated momentarily an apparently external source. It becomes a part of one's wholeness eventually, but first it has to go through the introduction process. Think of it as looking for mirrors in the aether for wisdom emerging within, if you want.

Do you see the LSD aliens as being totally unique, x? I think John C. Lily did a great job of showing how entities can come whenever you break down the walls of habitual thought and groove on cosmic currents, but maybe one could also explore how different experiences flavor the entities. I have experience, with and without drugs, but not enough to make sufficient comparisons.

[Govindaze]

 " All is reflection "

 

[x]

I like the way this thread has unfolded.

Thanks for the ideas, theres some good ones.

But those aliens, where me.

[2a]

In never said they weren't entities of my own mind.

You may think you are presenting me with some new material, but you aren't, I want really druggies.

I just assumed.  Based on the wording, it seemed to suggest that; and you never know what the nuances of what people are saying are if they don't explicitly specify them.  And I didn't necessarily figure this was a new idea to you, I've never discussed anything with you, so I wouldn't know. 

BTW, what do you mean by "I want really druggies"?  That wording makes no sense to me.

Don't get me too wrong, I'm not in opposition to the idea of aliens either in the extra-dimensional sense or literal extra-terrestrial sense, I think its far more likely that they do exist than they don't.  I just find the subjective nature of conscious experience and objective external reality to be in interesting juxtaposition at times and the manner in which people interpret them, its something all of us as finite conscious beings are subject to.  I too have had these sorts of experiences at least a couple times, one of them highly positive and the other somewhat negative, but neither of them involved LSD.

pardon me for not responding to the comment on solipsism, in my experience those discussions usually degrade to foolish and elastic interpretations of logical analysis.  I had my fill of them in epistemology and philosophy of mind.  besides, how do I know there's really anyone there to read them and I'm not just typing to another alternate-ego of myself of which I'm unaware? 

Oh, and one last nit-picky housekeeping point, in the future, rather than re-posting multiple times in a row, please use the modify button in the top-right corner of the post.   

[x]

I just assumed.  Based on the wording, it seemed to suggest that; and you never know what the nuances of what people are saying are if they don't explicitly specify them.  And I didn't necessarily figure this was a new idea to you, I've never discussed anything with you, so I wouldn't know.  

BTW, what do you mean by "I want really druggies"?  That wording makes no sense to me.

Don't get me too wrong, I'm not in opposition to the idea of aliens either in the extra-dimensional sense or literal extra-terrestrial sense, I think its far more likely that they do exist than they don't.  I just find the subjective nature of conscious experience and objective external reality to be in interesting juxtaposition at times and the manner in which people interpret them, its something all of us as finite conscious beings are subject to.  I too have had these sorts of experiences at least a couple times, one of them highly positive and the other somewhat negative, but neither of them involved LSD.

pardon me for not responding to the comment on solipsism, in my experience those discussions usually degrade to foolish and elastic interpretations of logical analysis.  I had my fill of them in epistemology and philosophy of mind.  besides, how do I know there's really anyone there to read them and I'm not just typing to another alternate-ego of myself of which I'm unaware?  

Oh, and one last nit-picky housekeeping point, in the future, rather than re-posting multiple times in a row, please use the modify button in the top-right corner of the post.  

Im sorry you got bummed out.

Move on and contribute something of substance.

Just a suggestion, as this has been a good thread otherwise.

Do you see the LSD aliens as being totally unique, x?

Dude I got no idea, I know I have met 'em, I know there there, somewhere, and that they exist just as much as we do, or don't.

I never have made much headway into the subject, because it isn't a subject, it just is what it is.

Thanks for your always heartfelt and deeply thought about responses, if that makes sense.

I know you know, I know too, its just making sense of it thats the problem, It has been 15 years for me this year, and I'm still going round in circles. hahaha

[Newfound_wonder]

How are you so sure that any of the beings you encounter are anything more than entities of your mind? How can you be sure that your own unconscious isn't generating this very text that you are reading now? How do you know that hermes exists independently of your experience and has a subjective experience of his own? How can you be sure that anything exists apart from your mind?

Here's a nice essay titled "Why solipsism is Bullshit" which is a philosophical approach to disproving solipsism.
http://www.phy.duke.edu/~rgb/Philosophy/axioms/axioms/node43.html

I personally take the biological approach to disproving solipsism.  Every living organisms has parents, and each parent has parents, and those parents had parents of their own.  How could two mindless organisms produce a being with a mind?  And if this organism with a mind reproduced, would their offspring have a mind?  My assumption is yes.  The fact that every organism on this planet shares a common ancestor suggests that there are multiple beings on this planet with a mind.

Physically, I can know that objects exist outside of the mind because I can see, smell, touch, hear, or taste objects that are not part of my body.  That, and the fact that multiple minds can come to an agreement about certain physical properties of the universe suggests that other beings have minds and undergo the same mental processes as I do.  Granted, I doubt that any other organism on this planet uses their brain in an identical way that I do, but the processes are still similar.

I guess I can never be 100% certain that anything exists outside of my mind.  However, I am more than 99.999% sure that things exist outside my mind, which for me is a strong enough certainty to assume that things exist outside my mind.

[x]

Sometimes its better to just experience the, what ever it is, without making any assumptions at all, as to what it is. Anything can make sense if you want it too.

There is much more to reality than biological, physical reality, the reality you assume you are touching and seeing, don't you think?

[2a]

alright, you've dragged me in.   

I guess I feel the best refutation of solipsism is that it defies Occam's Razor because it requires the existence of an unnecessarily complex universe to account for the phenomena.  So while this isn't "proof" against Solipsism, it allows for logical refutation of the idea.

There is much more to reality than biological, physical reality, the reality you assume you are touching and seeing, don't you think?

one could argue that all things are reducible to or are emergent properties of activities of the physical universe.  so while not all things are directly "physical" per say, physical reality is a necessary condition for them.  Sort of a property dualism.

[x]

It makes us feel smug to try and control and own nature. Oh it's a simple matter of this or that.

[2a]

I don't think its necessarily about control.  Just because someone believes that an explanation exists for all things, it doesn't follow that one believes they possess accurate explanations for all things.