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 Young man gets hit by train, then arrested after eating magic mushrooms.

[spencer wallace]

but what exactly happened has been left to a reporter to explain, I wanna hear this kids view.

Hey he's on facebook..
http://www.facebook.com/people/James-Lampiris/564397292

[ST1R]

  Someone send him our addy!

[lovemaster]

*edit* bad question

[starshadow]

my point is that responsible use acknowledges this possibility IN ADVANCE and we make pre-arrangements to keep it from happening. this is something we like to enourage the new guys to consider nudge nudge wink wink.

Yep indeed, that was also the point I was trying to make about the mountain trip and the young guy; I prepared in depth and thereby went about reducing risk as far as I could. IF I hadn't then I think Stepp's point re hypocrisy would stand, or at least, inconsistency.

I would love to talk with him about his trip. He probably looks at it as a disaster of a trip, but from the right perspective, it can be seen as a beautiful learning experience.

As Heraclitus said, "To God, all things are beautiful, good and right. Men, on the other hand, deem some things right and others wrong."

Shit happens.

"Beautiful learning experience" ? It could be, FOR HIM. But IF TRUE (ok Stepp, working hypothesis?), then I'm quite sure it wouldn't have been for anyone around him.

"As Heraclitus said: To God, all things are beautiful, good and right. Men, on the other hand, deem some things right and others wrong."

As Starshadow said: "Any such god is an asshole, I'm with Prometheus and Lucifer."

"Shit happens." INDEED !!! And the point is that you CAN reduce the probability of shit happening.

Oh I didn't see there was a new member! Welcome, Illegealsmiles!

Hi IllegalSmiles ! Ditto ! I vaguely saw your handle at the side and had the impression I'd seen it many times before. Like your name 

[starshadow]

But you people only prove how serious boring responsible and judgemental you all are.

  BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!! 

Whoah, somehow I missed that bit first time around !!! Thanks Stepp, that was a definite ROFL moment, cool!  Thank gods I wasn't drinking a coffee.

[lovemaster]

X:    word much love bro

[Audiophile]

You say he is the kind of person that keeps psychedelics banned, but I believe you people are just as bad to, you see you are pro psychedlics but you are not, you dismiss a very important stage a tripper must go through, a freak out, nut out, you judge him and take the side of the very people who don't like us, you jump the fence and this disgusts me.

This is wrong on so many levels.  I'll give it that every tripper WILL have a freak out, a nut out, whatever, but the goal here is to reduce the risk of dangerous encounters.  Regardless of how free you think running into a train will make you feel, its not safe!  Often behavior like this is detrimental to the war on "the war on drugs."  We are here to make these drugs as safe as possible, to show that they are (relatively) safe, and valuable tools for our minds.  NOT to condone such selfish and unsafe acts.  Couldn't this kid have had a trip sitter? Someone not to interfere with the experience, but to prevent this kid from committing any reprehensible crimes?  Drug use can be a victimless crime, or it can have disastrous effects on countless external individuals, as well as those self-destructive effects.  It's all about safety and knowledge.

Why belong to such a forum if its all OBT?
Perhaps you just received a some of 2c-b-fly somewhere in early October and died from it? (rest in peace those who did.  )  Wouldn't that be part of your big trip?  It seems to me that if someone isn't worried about running head first (or however you'd like to paint the picture) into a train naked, they needn't be worried about a corrupted batch of powder, and shouldn't bother with such forums.  How does your OBT theory go? Is everything fated to be as it will be? Why did this kid need to be arrested? Couldn't he have found a different way to experience a similar epiphany? is there any free will in the world or are we meant to have the experiences we have and have no other options?  Seems constrictive for someone who really thinks you need to be free to do with what you please.
But really, its all risk reduction in one way or another.

Man I'm just running into a brick wall with you lot. Join the police already.

Yikes, a little harsh.

[x]

You missed my main point that the media report is never to believed in the first place .

It happened because it had to happen it was his trip and in my opinion pre ordained, my real point was not to worry about media reports, and how straight people interpret things like psychedelic episodes.

Behaviour is not important to the war on drugs, it is an illusion created by the govt. for soccer moms and tv addicts.

The govt bans psychedelics because they stop us consuming that is all, any other excuse they come up with can be ignored .

If someone dies from 2-c-b-whatever? THAT IS THEIR TRIP, not mine, and I couldnt care less, because neither does the universe .

Don't get me wrong I know what your saying, I used to have your view, but I feel I have taken my view on psychedelics to another plane of personal freedom . I don't care for society and all its inconvieniences.

But hey your welcome to your view, and to drag up antiquated comments that meant nothing.

[Papyrifera]

In a lot of ways our society is not set up for extreme mental freak-out trips. Datura is a very good example. Maybe if you are out in the jungle and under the watchful eye of a good medicine man, this experience would be intense but not too dangerous. But running amock through the city, with cars and trains and easily scared, distrustful people... it is a much more dangerous environment for such intense headspaces.