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 Young man gets hit by train, then arrested after eating magic mushrooms.

[IllegalSmiles]

 18-year-old suspect had eaten magic mushrooms prior to the bizarre incident, police say.

Date published: 11/4/2009

BY KEITH EPPS

A young Stafford man was arrested last night in connection with an incident during which he was running around naked and got hit by a slow-moving train, police said.

Sheriff’s spokesman Bill Kennedy said the subsequent investigation revealed that the 18-year-old suspect had eaten magic mushrooms prior to the bizarre incident.

Kennedy said police were called at 7:30 a.m. Saturday by a woman who’d seen a young man running completely naked on Camden Drive in Clearview Heights subdivision.

She said the man was yelling at himself when he looked at her and asked if she was OK. The woman responded that she was, then asked if the suspect was OK, Kennedy said.

The suspect then began screaming and cursing at the woman, who ran into her home and called the Sheriff’s Office.

Deputy Jason Hierwarter responded and found several residents who had seen the naked display. But deputies were unable to immediately find the man.

About 30 minutes later, Kennedy said, police were notified that a CSX train had struck a naked man in the area of Butler and Cool Springs roads.

The train conductor told police that the trains were traveling about 9 mph when he saw the man near the tracks.

After he sounded the horn to warn the man, he got on the tracks and walked directly toward the oncoming train, police said.

The conductor put on the brakes, but couldn’t stop before hitting the man, who disappeared from view following the contact.

The conductor found the man sitting under the third car of the train convoy. He ran off before deputies and medical workers arrived.

Deputy Shawn Lindsay found the suspect a short time later and got into an altercation with him. He broke free after striking a deputy and ran into the woods screaming and cursing.

Kennedy said he was finally taken into custody by four deputies. The teenager, who was kicking and cursing the whole time, was bleeding heavily and had a “significant” laceration on his forehead, Kennedy said.

The suspect was taken to Stafford Hospital, where he stayed until last night.

James Lampiris, who lives in the Clearview Heights area, is charged with indecent exposure, obstructing railroad operations, obstructing justice, trespassing on railroad property, being drunk in public and four counts of assault and battery on a police officer.

http://fredericksburg.com/News/Web/2009/102009/1103st1

[Carlo]

Might have been a different story if he'd had a sober buddy keeping him company.

[ST1R]

I can only imagine what was going threw his head. Good thing it wasn't a train. After being hit by a train tripping, I bet he thought he was invulnerable.

Arrested after being hit. Talk about insult to injury.

[IllegalSmiles]

It sounds like he layed down under the train... Must have realized what it was at the last second.

[2a]

Might have been a different story if he'd had a sober buddy keeping him company.

first thing I thought of, too: the value of a sitter.

[x]

Whats the big deal, you guys sound like a bunch of old nannies.

That was his trip, it all meant something to him, and he was fine, and everything that happened to him, was meant to happen .

I've been arrested tripping quite a few times, but in my youth, it was so much fun just stopping the system for awhile, especially in that state, you realise nothing matters and that these silly fools and rushing around in a tizz, hahahaha.

 Stoner said he thought the guy thought he was invulnerable, and he was, and very powerful. He was invulnerable to fear, worry or incrimination, and powerful because he stopped the system temporarily, he got media attention . He had a fantastically powerful trip, must have been awesome.

Sitters, pfft, you knows who needs a sitter, those motherfuckers in blue that took him to jail.

[spencer wallace]

It's a big deal because this is the kind of shit that worries the old nannies out there who are really vocal about keeping the drug war going.

[x]

It's a big deal because this is the kind of shit that worries the old nannies out there who are really vocal about keeping the drug war going.

The drug war has nothing to do with old nannies, old nannies do as they are told. Things like T.V., Video Games, Fast Food, Movies, etc, keep nannies content, safe and happy, so happy they don't even realise they are being brainwashed into pawns on the chess board called Earth. The King and all his friends call the moves, they create the drug wars, and it has nothing to do with misbehaving suburban youth running around naked on drugs. All but the naive know this, the nannies.

[starshadow]

That was his trip, it all meant something to him, and he was fine, and everything that happened to him, was meant to happen.

OK, maybe I'm an old nanny (I'm tempted to change my handle to this  ) but IMO the second he was tripping in PUBLIC, it was by definition no longer "his trip"; it was everybody's trip, in the sense that whatever he got up to had an impact on all those who encountered him. In other words, his sense of caring for others and of his impact on them was nil; he was shoving his trip down everyone's throats. No respect.

Luckily, he only seems to have given the first woman a bad fright, which I feel sure she would have been happy not have experienced. It could have been a lot worse. And he got off with a few scratches and a wound and an arrest. It could have been a lot worse.

IMO a classic case of irresponsible tripping, both personal and toward others, and the type of great publicity the Govts love...

[x]

You articulate your point nicely, but no matter how well you debate it, I'm sorry, in my opinion your a nanny, and thats just the beginning.

You use a nice word 'Public', as if it is a word that has a line to be crossed. You see when you believe, like myself, that God is actually a Universal Ego, you believe that we are in 'public' at all times, and at the same time we are all alone, so there are no boundaries, just new rules, ways and habits.

Yin and Yang.

You see his trip has become part of your trip, right now anyway, and it is all part of the big trip, the never ending Universal Ego, or all.

You prove your puritanical roots with your opinions, your considerate, boring and dull, life support system time. Your rules and morals are based on the meek, humble, scared, un-accommadating, joyless, fearful, brain-washed drones.

You see I don't like people walking down my street in the wee hours of the morning, butt naked and screaming to God. It fucks 'ME' off, I have work in the morning, what if he is dangerous? will he steal my possesions? will he rape my wife? Oh boy the possibilties for fear are endless. But I don't care, I accept, I chuckle, I move on, I get over, I let live, so I can be free to live, it is the only way, we must evolve and adapt in so many ways that seem trivial and difficult.

Numbers have no importance, and if the numbers choose to shiver in fear at the back of a cave, let 'em, don't bow down, don't cave in, don't join in, don't give up. Fight, fight, fight, and if you don't die. If you judge your views on life on the ethics, morals and respect of the shivering moral majority in mind, well your antiquated and gathering dust.

You say he has no respect, well I believe that when someone is tripping and for whatever reason you are dragged into that trip, I believe you are disrespectful for breaking that trip, for it is not only his test, but yours as well, when it comes to how you handle, accept, allow or control someone else's trip.

Case of irresponsible tripping huh? Case of sitting on your high horse more like. You see I am older now and would never find myself in the position this young man has found himself in, but I have in the past, and in it way it has helped me become the man I am today, and who am I in denying someone that trip. We must all be free to go where ever we have to go, he was just a young boy, he has many more years of adventures and discovery yet. God bless him.

Don't get me wrong, I have heard your point of view before, and just like mine it has room to flow, but dude, I didn't expect to find that mentality on this kind of web forum? When was your last trip? Do you tie yourself down?

[starshadow]

Well, I don't at all mind being called an old nanny, maybe I am  . Or even on my high horse. Or even an old nanny on a high horse 

But, really, if, as you say, it's all One Big Trip (OBT), then the cops chasing the guy and carting him off were part of the OBT, and me moaning about irresponsibility is part of the OBT, and you saying it's OK is also part of the OBT etc, so I guess there's really nothing for you or me or anyone to really say except it's One Big Trip, and everything is fine.

QUOTE: "Dude, I didn't expect to find that mentality on this kind of web forum?"

So, what kind of people DO you expect to find on this forum, then?

QUOTE: "When was your last trip? Do you tie yourself down?"

  LOL! No. As I can't answer that last rhetorical question directly due to forum rules, I'll timelessly and impersonally mention that AFOAF took his last trip on his own, up a mountain, during the night, in a very isolated cave, with the set aim of encountering fear.

It REALLY brought out the puritan in me   

[x]

But, really, if, as you say, it's all One Big Trip (OBT), then the cops chasing the guy and carting him off were part of the OBT, and me moaning about irresponsibility is part of the OBT, and you saying it's OK is also part of the OBT etc, so I guess there's really nothing for you or me or anyone to really say except it's One Big Trip, and everything is fine.

Now your getting it.

As to your question as to what kind of people do I expect to find on this forum, I would expect to find people who take psychedelic spirituality serious enough to write a 300 word essay explaining why they would like to join this forum to discuss in an open minded and adult manner psychedelic spirituality.

I totally knew you would say you had your last trip in a cave or something very austere and serious like that, it goes with the whole older, more wisened, tripper suit that your wearing.

[x]

I mean case in point, you talk about irresponsibilty and respect, well what if you got so high up in your cave that you got hypothermia and died, or a rattlesnake bit you and you didn't even know it and died. Think about the cost to society it would be to get medics and emergency staff out to look for you, to extract your irresponsible body from some cave somewhere. I can see the headlines now, they would make it look as bad as that young guy on the rail tracks, you get my point? Anything can be twisted anyway, be aware of it and back up your own.

Your being a hypocrite. But its not your fault, your trained to think like that, you think you are psychedelically enhanced or whatever but you are as bound as someone who watches oprah everyday, you turn on your own without a second thought, you believe words and are easily swayed, I'm swaying you right now huh?.

Its all about perspective, and knowing who to trust, and trusting yourself.

Its also about knowing that what you really feel under all the baggage is allowed, and if someone elses perspective doesnt meet yours then so be it.

[x]

I'm like sorry if I'm being abrasive, rude, and offensive, I can't help it, I'm not judging individuals, although it must feel like it. What I feel I am doing is enlightening ideas, this is my own trip, and unfortunately, at this point in time our trips collide, and well, all I can say is brace yourself.

[starshadow]

Braced! 

As to your question as to what kind of people do I expect to find on this forum, I would expect to find people who take psychedelic spirituality serious enough to write a 300 word essay explaining why they would like to join this forum to discuss in an open minded and adult manner psychedelic spirituality.

"...discuss in an open minded and adult manner psychedelic spirituality."
Well, that's what I thought the replies on this particular thread were doing, including myself.

I totally knew you would say you had your last trip in a cave or something very austere and serious like that, it goes with the whole older, more wisened, tripper suit that your wearing.

LOL!  If only I could have taken a photo of what I was actually wearing ! But anyway, I am actually an "older, more wisened, tripper", but that certainly doesn't mean I'm about to lay down any laws, altho I am happy to get on my high horse. Why not? It's my trip.

I mean case in point, you talk about irresponsibilty and respect, well what if you got so high up in your cave that you got hypothermia and died, or a rattlesnake bit you and you didn't even know it and died. Think about the cost to society it would be to get medics and emergency staff out to look for you, to extract your irresponsible body from some cave somewhere. I can see the headlines now, they would make it look as bad as that young guy on the rail tracks, you get my point? Anything can be twisted anyway, be aware of it and back up your own.

You have a point. One of the main things when using psychs with an aim is to do something like a risk/benefit study. Oh, the next bit is fictional. "It took me 3 months to prepare for that trip and there was whole load of stuff to work through on safety and worst-case scenarios. Luckily I'm an Outward Bound grad and trekker so could sort out most of the relatively predictable stuff. Also, I was very careful with dosage (shrooms), so the kind of freak out this guy went through was basically impossible. Well, I wrote the Trip Report up somewhere here if you care to look."

My point is that you can be both responsible and do stuff. It'll never be perfect, and it's always to some degree a risky biz, but you can decrease some of the risk.

What we don't know about the young guy is whether he actually did start off with a sitter. After all, he may have had one, the sitter just has to take a leak, and the guy takes off, sans threads. The second thing is that maybe he normally had no prob on shrooms, but for reasons unknown messed up the dose? There's a few unknowns in that report.

Your being a hypocrite.

Sing-song voice: Oh no I'm not ! Frankly, I don't see it. I took a lot of steps to reduce the risk, but it doesn't look as though the young guy did, altho as said, there's a few unknowns in the report. Am I being a hypocrite anyone else?

you are as bound as someone who watches oprah everyday

Oprah who?

[Newfound_wonder]

Ingesting psychedelics does not give you the right to be a stupid fuck and be disrespectful to other people.

[2a]

Ingesting psychedelics does not give you the right to be a stupid fuck and be disrespectful to other people.

damn right, NFW!

irresponsibility is everybody's problem.  you get drunk, drive, and kill someone, that's a big-fucking deal.  but that doesn't mean that just because you didn't kill anyone THIS time, doesn't make drunk-driving not a big-fucking-deal. 

Steppenwolf, your attitude is reprehensible.  Show some goddamn intelligence and respect for these incredibly powerful substances, the effects they have on the mind and behavior, and the sheer potential for disaster that irresponsible use carries.  Its people like you who give responsible drug-users a bad name, grow up!

[Mantis]

That guy showed exactly how NOT to take psychedelics, but, man, being naked under a train on shrooms sounds cool as fuck. I'm slightly envious  

[starshadow]

That guy showed exactly how NOT to take psychedelics, but, man, being naked under a train on shrooms sounds cool as fuck. I'm slightly envious  

 LOL ! I know what you mean altho I'd have preferred cactus-juice, er...

Meanwhile, conflict of interest, I'm a bit kneejerk about this kind of thing, I admit, as I once had to take care of a young guy who had flipped out due to totally irresponsible shrooming plus heavy heavy smoking. That was 10 years ago now, and to date he's not back. Sectioned 3 times, and now permanently under heavy sed... It was especially gruelling as I had taught the kid 10 years or so previous to that and he was totally cool, bright, enquiring, pretty sensitive, creative, you name it.

So... yes, a downer, but this is why I favor a different approach to drug control, and one that does include education, and even possibly some kind of screening so kids like that could be steered away from some of the triggers.

Much as I respect and love psychs, they simply are not for everybody.

Oh, and btw, and just in case, when I said above that I'm an "older, more wisened tripper", it was somewhat tongue-in-cheek, because, and after all, each time you do a psych it's kind of for the first time again...

[pshmell]

It's not his fault. Don't put blame anywhere.

[farmerjack]

Disagree. We know we can do stupid things if we drug ourselves. It goes with the territory and that's why responsible trippers bring a sitter.

For heavens' sake Psmell, he walked into  a damn train. Who's fault is that? Or are you being ironical without using an emoticon?

 btw welcome to our forum illegalsmiles. have some fun, learn some stuff, be a brilliant contributor.

[pshmell]

Oh I didn't see there was a new member! Welcome, Illegealsmiles!

Farmerjack, I am not trying to be ironic or sarcastic, I said what I said from the heart.
Have you ever had a bad trip, or seen someone have a bad trip? Or have you ever had even a bad day?

It seems to me that this fellow fell into a little metaphorical ditch. He couldn't get out, so he just dug himself deeper and deeper until he couldn't even remember ever being out of the ditch.

See this?

Deputy Shawn Lindsay found the suspect a short time later and got into an altercation with him. He broke free after striking a deputy and ran into the woods screaming and cursing.

Clearly he had a little glimpse outside of his hole, here. He ran off swearing  because he began to realize what he had just done.

The "I" that he refers to when he is sober had absolutely NO idea what was going on most of that night. That "I" wasn't even there, I presume.

I would love to talk with him about his trip. He probably looks at it as a disaster of a trip, but from the right perspective, it can be seen as a beautiful learning experience.

As Heraclitus said, "To God, all things are beautiful, good and right. Men, on the other hand, deem some things right and others wrong."

Shit happens.

[farmerjack]

OK, I'll accept the idea that once a heroic dose of mush derailed (pun intended) his brian he was not in control of himself.

my point is that responsible use acknowledges this possibility IN ADVANCE and we make pre-arrangements to keep it from happening. this is something we like to enourage the new guys to consider nudge nudge wink wink.

[pshmell]

haha yes, yes indeed. This man could have had a much safer experience that he could have learned from in a much easier and more peaceful way had he been in the right environment.

In the future, let's hope he and everyone else will be more precautious.

All I'm saying is don't dwell on the past when there's so much to learn from it!

[x]

You guys are missing the major obvious point here . HIS AGE.

Ofcourse he was irresponsible, of course he could have been in a more CONTROLLED environment .

But you people only prove how serious boring responsible and judgemental you all are.

You are all missing another major point, that what has been written in this article is the views and perspectives of people of dubious intentions, namely the police and media.

I mean how sensationalised has this been portrayed in the paper.

Fuck I don't now how to get it through to you people, that the moral to learn here is not if this kid was right or wrong, the only moral to be learned here is how easily lead you people are by the words of others, in this instance the media and police, not the best people to believe.

You say he is the kind of person that keeps psychedelics banned, but I believe you people are just as bad to, you see you are pro psychedlics but you are not, you dismiss a very important stage a tripper must go through, a freak out, nut out, you judge him and take the side of the very people who don't like us, you jump the fence and this disgusts me.

I tried to prove how miss leading the media can be, this story is anti psychedelic propaganda, and none of you can see it, hahahaha.

My example was obvious.

See, take old Starshadow for instance. I assume people here think Starshadow a responsible, considered tripper? Yet he himself admitted he had his last trip in an environment that was as responsible, or irresponsible, as this young guys. Fortunately for SS it all went well. But it could of been so different, he could of died up there, would anyone know where he was? What would his family think? How would the media report the story? would they paint SS in the light that you know him as or do you think they would go for as sensational an angle as possible, make him look like another stupid brain fucked drug fuck.

You see we have no information about this event, we were not there, we we not in his head, the polices head or the reporters head. We know nothing other than some stupid media report (like Oprah, idiots).

But come on fools keep missing the real story here and keep sitting on your high horses dismissing the very person you probalbly were at 18 years old. You know people die everyday, why and how is a mystery, dying on LSD is not a sin, it is life.

[spencer wallace]

I mean how sensationalised has this been portrayed in the paper."

Hey man, I don't know about your life, but in my life running head first into a train is pretty damned sensational.

Fuck I don't now how to get it through to you people, that the moral to learn here is not if this kid was right or wrong, the only moral to be learned here is how easily lead you people are by the words of others, in this instance the media and police, not the best people to believe.

Someone could easily have been killed with this guy running around (first of all himself!) How the guy was behaving was really dangerous (whether danger is right or wrong), and as a human being he is responsible for his dangerous behaviour.

Recklessly endangering other people when you don't have to is a really inconsiderate and selfish thing to do. It doesn't matter what he was thinking (even if we could know). In the end, we are accountable for what we do, not what we mean to do.

[x]

Hey man, I don't know about your life, but in my life running head first into a train is pretty damned sensational.

Someone could easily have been killed with this guy running around (first of all himself!) How the guy was behaving was really dangerous (whether danger is right or wrong), and as a human being he is responsible for his dangerous behaviour.

Recklessly endangering other people when you don't have to is a really inconsiderate and selfish thing to do. It doesn't matter what he was thinking (even if we could know). In the end, we are accountable for what we do, not what we mean to do.

Your still believing the words of a reporter, how the fuck do you know he ran head long into a train in the first ?? Because the fucking reporter told you.

How are you not getting it. You are assuming straight away that what you are reading is exactly what happened. you don't know he ran head first into a train, he had an incident with a train, but what exactly happened has been left to a reporter to explain, I wanna hear this kids view.

Man I'm just running into a brick wall with you lot. Join the police already.

[x]

Would be nice if someone could locate this guy, googled him, all I got was a bunch of 2nd, 3rd and 4th hand reports on sensationalised websites.

[lovemaster]

the military and industrial systems we use to maintain an order dont leave anyone very free to trip, safe from harm and persecution. if we can send satellites into orbit why cant we make modes of transportation that dont endanger pedestrian wanderings?

i once had the urge to call for help via 911 thinking maybe i was being abducted into another realm i wasnt ready to enter, and could the police keep me safe from these forces...thankfully i didnt because they wouldnt have and of course it was actually the police situation that set off my paranoia, by abducting me from a state of natural freedom in my innocent quest for knowledge.

[x]

the military and industrial systems we use to maintain an order dont leave anyone very free to trip, safe from harm and persecution. if we can send satellites into orbit why cant we make modes of transportation that dont endanger pedestrian wanderings?

i once had the urge to call for help via 911 thinking maybe i was being abducted into another realm i wasnt ready to enter, and could the police keep me safe from these forces...thankfully i didnt because they wouldnt have and of course it was actually the police situation that set off my paranoia, by abducting me from a state of natural freedom in my innocent quest for knowledge.

I love you and you have given me the faith in this site I believed and now know does exist here. Peace and power to you brother.