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 Benzodiazepines Vs. "illegal" drugs...

[ST1R]

Sort of . The JWHs are similar to ganja but slightly different.
However if your cannabis has other substances in it one should find a new supplier

[The Sardonic Tech]

However if your cannabis has other substances in it one should find a new supplier

Come on dude I live in California I had a script only the finest home grown. Even Kermie would like the shit that came out of my home. 

[ST1R]

Weed can have so many other substances that may cause the side effects that JWH doesn't hmmm.

? Now I'm confused....

[The Sardonic Tech]

? Now I'm confused....

Well JWH is a chemical that... I will let wikipedia describe it...
JWH-018 (1-pentyl-3-(1-naphthoyl)indole) is an analgesic chemical from the aminoalkylindole family, which acts as a cannabinoid agonist at both the CB1 and CB2 receptors, with some selectivity for CB2.[1][2][3] It produces effects in animals very similar to those of THC itself, but with a longer duration of action, and is currently being researched as a potential analgesic to be administered by transdermal patch.[4].

Hence JWH doesn't have other substances that the pot has.Right?

[ST1R]

Ok. I dig it.
Your saying that the various JWH's has a consistent effect unlike the more varied effects of pot due the various cannabinoids.
Yeah thats true. I've gone through a ridiculous amount of 018 in the last few months and the effects are certainly consistent.

[foreward]

my experience with JWH is at first it seems a lot like herb, but over time you start noticing the differences. Now I am not sure if 018 can even really be compared to marijuana. It's not a bad thing, mind you, but quite different.

[The Sardonic Tech]

Ok. I dig it.
Your saying that the various JWH's has a consistent effect unlike the more varied effects of pot due the various cannabinoids.
Yeah thats true. I've gone through a ridiculous amount of 018 in the last few months and the effects are certainly consistent.

Yeah on your ridiculous amount of consumption of JWH did you notice a difference from the same amount of consumption of cannabis? as...

my experience with JWH is at first it seems a lot like herb, but over time you start noticing the differences. Now I am not sure if 018 can even really be compared to marijuana. It's not a bad thing, mind you, but quite different.

[ST1R]

Not really but I have a bit of tolerance and usually both were used in the same day however my GF noticed a drop in here ganja tolerance after going 018 exclusive for a bit

[The Sardonic Tech]

I am more interested in JWH because if I recall you can't be piss tested for it. Right? Maybe this benzo thing can go on a hold 

[ST1R]

Thats correct and why my gf went exclusive.

[foreward]

Being that I used 018 maybe weekly, I didn't mean to imply my experience was phisiological, but rather a result of understanding the materials effects with less bias as a marijuana substitute. It also may have been due to coadministration with dxm once and a while. This combo is just bizzar and cannot be compred to marijuana what-so-ever.

Alcohol and 018 is also different. There is no nausea like there is with marijuana, which is deff a vomit comit in my experience. 018 also seemed to bring out whatever visionary trace elements exist in cheap-ass wine.

[ST1R]

The trick to the mj/etoh combo IME is stacking. Smoke, drink, smoke drink, etc. When one gets sufficiently drunk the addition of herb will often cause spins. One after the other throughout the evening stops the sudden assualt on the senses

"Da dah du dun.... "



Take the word of a dedicated alcoholic pothead

[foreward]

Well, ST1R. Your avitar might be kinda freaky, but you're funny as heck!

[ST1R]

  Ahhh shucks, twernt nuthin'

[Noman]

Someone bumped a thread recently where you were contemplating joining the army - I'm praying right now that you didn't get in.
I'm praying that people like you aren't being given an automatic weapon and sent off to somewhere to represent the country in which I live.
But I know that they are.
Shit.
You pill bot MTV babies need to just go away and stop breeding and stop supplying cannon fodder and vapid consumers to the current Wermacht.
Go away.

I was drunk and angry when I posted that and I shouldn't have.
I'm leaving it up by way of letting my ass show, but if anybody wants to delete it, feel free.
Tech - if you want me to delete it, I will.

[foreward]

See Norman, this is why there is 018. Drink a bottle of sutter home and toke up 2-8mg (or 10-20mg if your tolerance is compromised by your kitten snorting habit) and you won't be able to type shit!

Think of it as idiot proofing yourself.

[The Sardonic Tech]

Tech - if you want me to delete it, I will.

No skin off my hide man just think of you as a great poster and you flipper-ed the fo0k out's all. Not used to it 

[BlackHole]

It's my impression, at least from the one experience I have of taking Xanax, that it doesn't just block anxiety. It blocks all emotion. If I can't have love or at least passion while supressing anxiety than I'll accept the package deal that you can't have one without the other.

[The Sardonic Tech]

Can you elaborate on that sucker of light.

[psilocyborg]

after a fun-as-hell-at-first then fucked-up-scary night of xanax, oxycodone and a bottle of bourbon I can safely say that I would gladly take a couple tenths of molly and a hit or two of acid over that bullshit any day of the week.

[Noman]

Benzos are drugs like sleeping is an activity.

[Mens Rea]

Tech: Benzo's are the best for people like us who are prone to "the high blood pressure rage."   Benzo's feel the best when you take them when you're pissed off (which is all the freaking time for grumpy people with high BP  ).

You could literally be screaming and ranting, INFURIATED at the cashier because that goddamn idiot doesn't know how to work a register. And while you're screaming "SHUT UP YA FUCKING STUPID!!!" they'll be watching your face flush with agitation, your blood vessels bursting out of your head and wondering which one is going to explode! But once that benzo kicks in, instantly you feel a weight lifted off your shoulders. Your tensed muscles relax, you can finally breathe, and see with clarity. The desire to torture, harass, humiliate, abuse, or beat somebody's ass has been successfully diminished.

They're the most effective when somebody just slips 'em right in your mouth while you are frothing in the straight jacket.  

[Noman]

Or you could just work on your sense of priorities....

[Mens Rea]

Not really. If somebody wrongs you, even with a minor brutish implicit comment, it is top priority to speak all the evils of your mind.

Let's put it this way, if somebody steals your parking spot, are you going to either slunk away and drive off like a little bitch, or are you going to get out of your car, walk right up to the perpetrator's face, and make a stand for yourself and say, "HEY!!!! Get THE HELL out of my parking spot!!!!" (and yes, possibly even fight for it?) Cause I sure as hell am!

I realized a long time ago that if you ever want anything your way, you have to be dominant and aggressive about it. You can still do this while being polite and peaceful 98% of the time, it's the other 2% that's uhhh, highly questionable lol, and it usually when you're driving or somebody has cheated you or insulted you somehow.

[The Sardonic Tech]

OK now that we all can agree to disagree I will elaborate on my experience with klonapin and temazepam. I Feel a certain high(like weed) without the ill effects of weed when doing copious amounts of these drugs. I think in conjunction with an upper these drugs can do wonders for me. I am sipping on real strong mate de coca and on 60 mg temaz with 2 mg of klonapin on board. The only illegal drug here is the mate de coca and I doubt the dea will be pounding down my door for that lol. Although my tongue is numb. I love being this lit and nobody can do anything about it.  . the coca will be out of my system by the end of the weekend and the benzos are scripts  . I can be back at work "drug free". I love benzos they keep me lit 24/7 without the crappy ill effects of weed. All I have to do is taper down a couple times a month to tell the benzos who is the boss lol.

Edit: during the week I use racetams as the uppers for the benzo down. Let me get something straitened out I don't use benzos for anger I use it to get lit and anxiety.

[Noman]

Let's put it this way, if somebody steals your parking spot, are you going to either slunk away and drive off like a little bitch, or are you going to get out of your car, walk right up to the perpetrator's face, and make a stand for yourself and say, "HEY!!!! Get THE HELL out of my parking spot!!!!" (and yes, possibly even fight for it?) Cause I sure as hell am!

Why? It's a fucking parking spot. Why get in somebody's face over something that means fuck all? Chances are, they didn't see you in the first place, and even if they did, why lower yourself to the level of throwing down over a parking spot? Isn't this the same mentality that has us spending a million bucks per soldier overseas while our own citizens are scrapping over pieces of cardboard to make signs that say "Homeless Disabled Vet - Please Help - God Bless" to carry around in the parking lots of the malls that sell the useless shit that our overseas "allies" are sending over here?
It's fucking stupid.

[Mens Rea]

Why? It's a fucking parking spot. Why get in somebody's face over something that means fuck all? Chances are, they didn't see you in the first place, and even if they did, why lower yourself to the level of throwing down over a parking spot? Isn't this the same mentality that has us spending a million bucks per soldier overseas while our own citizens are scrapping over pieces of cardboard to make signs that say "Homeless Disabled Vet - Please Help - God Bless" to carry around in the parking lots of the malls that sell the useless shit that our overseas "allies" are sending over here?
It's fucking stupid.

Yea it is pretty stupid huh. I'm not even going to pretend to make the erroneous claim that it's not.

But I figure, if I'm that level of angry, I should release it to the person who wronged me instead of bottling it up later and possibly unleashing it on a family or friend or loved one. Anger that builds up tension is never released, only transferred. So I figure, at least, why not utilize that energy to hoard all the materials I want (instead of standing around like a freaking idiot)? At least that's how I justify it. I'm pretty sure that evolutionary speaking, that's where "rage" originates from, anyway--to acquire material possessions like food.

[Noman]

I'm pretty sure that evolutionary speaking, that's where "rage" originates from, anyway--to acquire material possessions like food.

Sure. But that's something that we need to transcend. That hardwiring was all fine and good on the savannah, but carried forward into our sudden technological mastery, it's as much a hardwiring for disaster as fertility treatments unchecked by natural selection.
We have to leave the ape and the ape impulses behind if we are to go forward.

[ST1R]

Frothing in the Straight Jacket...somehow I hear a heavy metal album in there somewhere.

Ooh and "Galaxy Bending" would be a Shpongle tune from the comment in another thread.

And there's always the classic inspired by the DMT trip report on Erowid called "Noetic Lightening."

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[DryGrain]

Opiates are great and all but illegal(unless you can get a crooked doc. to scribe them). Then comes the side effects... constipation! I would like to add that benzo withdrawal is so much nicer than the opiate withdrawal. Opiates are a fun recreational drug sometimes but long term and short term benzo ftw.

So the million or so chronic pain patients in the US all have crooked doctors? Prescription opiates are just as legal as benzodiazepines.