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 Hong Kong girl dies after ketamine snorting contest

[ST1R]

Hong Kong girl dies after ketamine snorting contest

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The video shows a girl’s last moments alive as she snorts a large line of ketamine at a party in mainland China. The girl, from Hong Kong, later collapsed and later died in hospital. This disturbing footage highlights the increasing use of ketamine in Hong Kong and mainland China.

Ketamine is a drug frequently used in human and veterinary medicine. It's availability for legal use has increased its popularity as a recreational drug and criminal gangs often raid veterinary practices and hospitals in order to acquire large quantities of the drug which can later be sold on the illegal market. China has five factories licensed to manufacture ketamine and this is the source of the majority of ketamine that is sold for recreational use in Hong Kong.

The border between mainland China and Hong Kong is one of the most highly trafficked in the world. Recently relaxed border controls have meant that cities liken Shenzen on the Chinese side of the border have seen an increase in young people from Hong Kong coming to have a good time. This goes hand in hand with drug trafficking as young people take advantage of low prices for drugs such as ketamine in China. Shenzen Customs has seen an increase in the number of young suspects involved in cross-border drug use and trafficking since the start of this year.The low prices have made ketamine more appealing to young people as gram of cocaine can be ten times more expensive than a gram of ketamine.

The ketamine problem in Hong Kong has been causing concern as Police have arrested children as young as 13 for Drug Offences according to the Commissioner for Narcotics Sally Wong. But ketamine use is not only confined to youth culture and it is reported to be the second-most popular drug among all age groups in Hong Kong.

Jeezus! That line has to be at least a few grams!

[Mimos]

What. The. Fuck.



That's fine to do with a lil' cocaine, but ketamine?! Even at my most brazen, the lines were like  </= 12" maybe....



I think they were all remarkably under-informed w/r/t dosage; they were all egging her on.

[pylkko]

No people, don't do this with any substance, please. You'd be amaze if you knew how much street cocaine is cut, and how much it varies in consistency.

[2a]

somebody give that girl a Darwin Award! 

[pshmell]

I bet she had a beautiful time. I wonder if she was ready for death.

[Mimos]

No people, don't do this with any substance, please. You'd be amaze if you knew how much street cocaine is cut, and how much it varies in consistency.

Quite right!

Disregard my statement on cocaine.

[foreward]

That is fucking disgraceful.

[The Sardonic Tech]

ST1R you always come through with the good ones  video response...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHU1X1PED4

[foreward]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFHU1X1PED4

Has anyone considered the economic benefits that legalizing weed would bring to the food industry?

[thoughtiknew]

What a waste. I could have fun for MONTHS with that much K and a cute asian... both down the drain.

[luc]

Has anyone considered the economic benefits that legalizing weed would bring to the food industry?

Yeah, that and the textile and entertainment industry.

[foreward]

because we like to wrap up in blankets and watch movies?

[2a]

textiles = tapestry maybe?

[lovemaster]

h-a-r-m - r-e-d-u-c-t-i-o-n           i-n-f-o-r-m-a-t-i-o-n          we have youtube yet people do this.

[Mens Rea]

I'm confused. I have been told on this board (from DrYHead I believe) that it was almost impossible to die off ketamine alone, especially "only" with a couple grams? I'd also think doing this with cocaine would be a lot more toxic than with ketamine...

[2a]

While fatalities with ketamine as the sole cause are rare, they are not unheard of. More commonly, however, other substances are involved in addition to ketamine. Depressants such as benzodiazepines, barbiturates and alcohol can amplify ketamine's suppressant effects on breathing and heart rate, possibly causing cardiovascular and respiratory functions to slow dangerously or discontinue altogether.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_health.shtml

nothing saying she had only ketamine system is there?  She did die in a bar, so alcohol consumption is definitely likely.

[pharmanimal78]

video removed...

[ST1R]

A two meter+ snort

[pharmanimal78]

What in blue hell possesses people? Once when I was a kid, I did a line of meth that was offered, straight off the drying plate. It was easily a gram+, probably going on 2+, but at least I was confident I could take it with my tolerance. This is just insane.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Competition?  People love to compete when they're drunk, even stupid shit like this.  The guy in the video playing the role of referee (if you want to call it that) was pretty adamant about not letting her skip chunks of the line, making her go back multiple times and redo portions of the line she skipped before she finished it all.  Maybe a little peer pressure too.  It looked like a heroic effort.

[ST1R]

My first thought was "Fuck kasumi OD'd!" Then I thought nah, she might pack that much in her bung but, that snorting that much would be too inconvenient in such large amounts for yer dainty sinus.

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Cute contestants, free full stocked bar, light reactive catheters connecting ket-bags to ass-cracks like an eight person anal intake hookah. Oh yeah did we forget to mention that our final eight contestants WILL BE our "Ket-Anal-angel-Octo-Eminema" chandelier until a winner is declared! Neon nerf walls and ceilings, excellent views of heaven hell (and all points in between ) from every room. Crazed confessions from contestants (AKA k-hole confessions).

Games!
Guess whats in the enema bag? (An audience participation game )
The synæsthesia symmetry game (requires 500mu LSD, a blindfold and one item of clothing for each person <P1 "I smell the color, blue, SsssssssssssOooBBWWooooOoo! I wuv bue!" P2"My sweater was blue before it began turning magenta! Beware unless you're fond of the evil red tones".)
Telepathic telephone. (more the merrier) separate each tripper in a line of no less than 3.33m. between. All dose accordingly at the same time. tripper 1 tries to send a telepathic message (no words, but looks, motions etc are allowed) to the next in the chain, and so on, etc until the last tripper relays the message to the group. <Weird thing is IME the trippers that were farther distanced but still within viewing sight, did much better than sober kids. (I think it was fifth graders we we're comparing ourselves too) We averaged ~18 people avg age ~25 vs. 25 kids stickily using direct oral/aural communication. We had something like 80% (avg.) message unmolested. The words may be off the true meaning but the original message was complete and mostly understandable. Whereas the kids whispering directly into the next ear averaged about 30% accuracy. That means ~30% comprehension of the words themselves. the message is usually lost unless luck or commonality sew it together.
Yeah! Mind defeated mouth in the first game but now that there are rules and regulations the 2012 olympics and elections. So its a whole new ball game! Expect betting fluctuations for the seasonal games. The zetas will start small but will move exponentially higher until they are disqualified for dancing the limbo in a low space orbit

If you want proof of the telepathic telephone game re-read this post knowing octo rexs' mind sent me this. Message seems pretty clear to me. :

CG or Octo;
Let me know about vip ticket prices preferably though TeleMess

[delysiduous]

The thing with k is as you do more you're tolerance keeps going up, as far as I know there is no plateau.  I've seen someone do a whole gram of veterinary k in one line, and while he couldn't really talk for a good hour, he was walking around and stuff.  I'd say the line in the video looked to be about an 8th or so, maybe a little more.  I would never ever wanna sniff that much; most I've ever done at once is a little under a half gram, and that is already way too much for my nose to be comfortable with.  I would definitely think some other substance was involved.  

Here's the vid: http://heaven666.org/k-hole-36936.php

[2a]

even if you're tolerance to the psychoactive effects has no plateau, toxicity doesn't necessarily decrease as well.  I don't know that this is true for ketamine in particular, but it is for other things like tropane alkaloids and cocaine I believe.  So even though it doesn't give you the subjective effects that you're seeking (high), you very much can still have a fatal OD.

[pylkko]

Very true, that is, the toxic mechanism doesn't have to be related to the high mechanism.

[delysiduous]

Good point, I didn't think of that.

From Rxlist.com  

Dosage

Intravenous Route: The initial dose of ketamine administered intravenously may range from 1 mg/kg to 4.5 mg/kg (0.5 to 2 mg/lb). The average amount required to produce five to ten minutes of surgical anesthesia has been 2 mg/kg (1 mg/lb).

Intramuscular Route: The initial dose of ketamine administered intramuscularly may range from 6.5 to 13 mg/kg (3 to 6 mg/lb). A dose of 10  mg/kg (5 mg/lb) will usually produce 12 to 25 minutes of surgical anesthesia.

Overdose/toxicity

Respiratory depression may occur with overdosage or too rapid a rate of administration of ketamine, in which case supportive ventilation should be employed. Mechanical support of respiration is preferred to administration of analeptics.

Ketamine has a wide margin of safety; several instances of unintentional administration of overdoses of ketamine (up to ten times that usually required) have been followed by prolonged but complete recovery.

The acute toxicity of ketamine has been studied in several species. In mature mice and rats, the intraperitoneal LD50 values are approximately 100 times the average human intravenous dose and approximately 20 times the average human intramuscular dose.

The IM dose is approximately 3x the IV dose.  I'm not sure exactly how that can be extrapolated into the insufflated dosage, but I think it's safe to say that it would be at least double, maybe triple the IM dose, say ~15mg/lb, about a gram and a half for that asian chick probably.  So if the accidental overdose data is valid, 15 grams is potentially not lethal.

They have quite a lot of info on the stuff.  

http://www.rxlist.com/ketamine-hydrochloride-drug.htm

[Mens Rea]

^^So the LD-50 has never been posted in humans? Is that just a safety or public liability thing? Cause I wouldn't really trust the overdose level for rats at all... I mean by comparison, the posted LD-50 for fentanyl in rats is like 3mg, and only 0.3mg in monkeys (which is closer to humans).

ST1R: LOL!!! I don't know if you're tripping but that was freaking funny.

[ST1R]

Nah just started typing. I was amazed by what I wrote the next day

[delysiduous]

^^So the LD-50 has never been posted in humans? Is that just a safety or public liability thing? Cause I wouldn't really trust the overdose level for rats at all... I mean by comparison, the posted LD-50 for fentanyl in rats is like 3mg, and only 0.3mg in monkeys (which is closer to humans).

ST1R: LOL!!! I don't know if you're tripping but that was freaking funny.

As far as I know, the LD-50 isn't usually posted for humans b/c they don't do this kind of research in humans, overdose research where many of the subjects die, that is.

EDIT: I threw in the LD-50 data just because it was there; I think a more reliable measure of the toxicity in humans can be gleaned from the incidents of accidental overdose, in amounts 10x or more a normal dose.

[pylkko]

But you can do a survay on death reports in hospital settings or elsewhere where the dosage is more or less known, and from that do stastistcal analysis and have some sort of prediction.

Animal models sometimes fail because animals have non-human physiology. Cats lack some of the metabolism that humans have because they are true meat eaters. And so some normal human pain medicines, for example, can be deadly to your cat, whereas they have no toxic effect upon a dog the same size... sad.. ask the pharmacist or veterinarian first...

[foreward]

wtf, guys? even if snorting a 20-foot long line of K is "non-lethal" it certainly isn't reasonable nor responsible. Even if doing absurd quantities of drugs won't certainly kill you, it doesn't matter. Irresponsible consumption makes us all look bad and excessive use as this should always be discouraged and responsible use should be encouraged.

I'm not saying that we shouldn't have accurate data about the toxicity made available. But I think anyone would agree that doing that much K (or anything else) isn't responsible and the lethality debate has distracted us from the responsible use and harm reduction directive.