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 JWH-018: First Impressions

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This is not really a trip report, but rather an overview of someones first impressions with this material.

Preparation: 100mg, pure white JWH-018 was dissolved into 10ml acetone and was then poured into a glass jar containing 5g dry parsley leaves. The bulk was shaken vigorously for about 1 minute. This was then dumped into a sieve, and agitated for until semi-dry, then it poured into a metal dish, and shaken continuously for about 30 minutes until it was mostly dry. The product was allowed to stand, agitating irregularly for an additional 30 minutes until completely dry to the touch. Each 50mg unit (aprox. a "pinch") of prepared material contains aprox. 1mg JWH-018, so for every 1/10 of 1g (about a "bowl") an effective 2mg dose (hopefully I did the math right...).

Background: Has not used any cannabinoids in over 3 months for personal reasons, but has somewhat large experience with marijuana of various qualities. I do not consider myself to be a "heavy smoker".

Similarities with marijuana: JWH-018 is different from pot, though these differences I think have been exaggerated. It does seem to lack some psychedelic depth, by comparison. However I have found that I am able to consider things and ideas with less personal bias and with greater objectivity.

JWH-018 seems to have a more pronounced "wave" effect in lower doses, this was especially pronounced at about 1mg on first encounter. At first these waves of euphoria are longer, and over time they become shorter - but not really any less intense - until the experience entirely vanishes. Unlike with pot, there is very little mental fatigue after the experience ends and ends more abruptly. After 2 hours, the experience is almost entirely over and by 2.5 hours I felt entirely baseline.

The high is much more energetic and slightly more euphoric that marijuana, bursts of hilarity are often followed up by some justification as to why I was laughing, which only leads to more giggling. Munchies are very present, but not painfully so, as with marijuana.

The body effect was less than marijuana of similar mental quality, which I missed at first but quickly appreciated. There was some chest pain and on second encounter (2mg + 2mg 20 minutes later) quite a lot of "buzzing" or "drilling" in my brain and a slight dizziness, though again not as pronounced as high amounts of marijuana. Dry mouth, ect are also less present, and suspect this is a result of it's C1 selectivity. Time effect and visual effect on the higher dose were there, but not as vivid as with marijuana. Music was extremely pleasant, perhaps more so than marijuana, but could not "get lost" in the music, as I can with high grade pot.  While the wave effect wasn't really present at higher dose, intensity seemed to plateau at 2mg.

JWH-018 does have a sensuality which I don't think marijuana has, and this aspect was almost "club drug" like, though this could have been set and setting as well. The stone is "clearer" or "cleaner" as there is less physical discomfort while still maintaining a solid mental high with considerably less cognitive fog. IMO, JWH-018 is really a pretty damn good substitute despite all the differences.

Overall though, I'd say that JWH-018 is not marijuana, and should not be ultimately compared to marijuana - and when taken in that context JWH-018 is a very worthwhile substance. While I have my doubts that JWH-018 is "psychedelic" per se (and certainly less "far out" than pot) I cannot really determine this until I have more experience. It is certainly not a "useless" body-fuck drug, and does seem to have some uses in discussing ideas and concepts without prejudice.

[Newfound_wonder]

It's definitely not identical to marijuana, but it's the closest buzz to marijuana that I have ever felt.  Thanks for the report. 

[DrYRHead]

And no positive THC urine screen to be having nightmares about either. 

[pylkko]

probably yes:
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/9668844

[DrYRHead]

Only one guy on the post said he got a pos, and he did not indicate if he had been clean on the screen prior to the smoking of the so called "spice" stuff. The other posters said that they had neg screens. One has also dreamed of this "spice gold" stuff, and one did not get a pos THC screen to dream about having had either. Of course, some cross reacting positives could be a problem with very large about of such THC analogs, but even then they should be ruled out if a GC/MS confirmation test is done.

[ST1R]

My gf had used spice, zohai and plain 018 and never flagged a piss test

[Papa Doobie]

been thinking about this stuff lately, funny to see all the vendors on everyone's favorite auction site selling it as "rapid bonsai growth forumula"

Glad to have a comparison with mj, be interesting to try out the differences for oneself. Although due to the nature of the similarities with cannabis, I suspect this is something a lot of people are keeping an eye on, and may be legal for who knows how long.

[ST1R]

Am I the only one who has seriously contemplated giving this to their bonsai?

[Carlo]

Am I the only one who has seriously contemplated giving this to their bonsai?

You're not alone in that but have you wondered at the irony of promoting rapid growth in bonsai?

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Wow, u, that was an amazing mess of a post. I did not realize that jwh 018 was a thc analog, even the DEA doesn't go that far (http://www.deadiversion.usdoj.gov/drugs_concern/spice/spice_jwh018.htm), glad to be back at the lyc (where chemicals are metabolized in the gut, not the brain)

at any rate, I seriously doubt that jwh 018 alone would show up positive, but who knows what synthetics are in this stuff. Jwh 018 is significantly different enough from pot I can see them including hu-210 and, while they are at it, some random WIN analogs, too. I think that I read somewhere that some Spices do contain hu-210. This would almost undoubtly cause a false positive.

Ofcourse very little is known about Jwh series, so maybe, but I never got an impression anyone was suggesting that these substances metabolize into something similar to thc metabolites, right?

[ST1R]

Drug test look for specific metabolites, not ones that are "close enough". Good example is opiates. The NIDA 5, which is I believe the most common, morphine, heroin and hydrocodone will show up but oxycodone wont flag it. Same thing. There is no reason that these would flag a test. Even if it did, a re-test is often done via GCMS would show no THC metabolites unless THC had been imbibed.

[pylkko]

Acording to Wikipedia most cannabis urine tests test for 11-nor-9-Carboxy-THC. Now, there is no fucking way that JWH-018 is going to turn in to 11-nor-9-Carboxy-THC in your body. So, unless they use a non molecule specific detection method, it's impossible. However, many colometric reactions are not molecule specific. So go figure.

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well, unless you're getting free rent in your mom's basement, you can challenge the findings or pre/employment and legal screenings.

I'd hope that, at least in the justice system anyway, they would be a little more precise....