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« on: July 03, 2009, 08:41:50 AM »

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There’s a lot of things I want to say about MDMA. To expropriate the words of Charles Dickens, “It was the best of times, it was the worst of times.” I have a pretty extensive history with this substance, and would like to share some of what I have learned.

I’ve only got two strict rules when it comes to MDMA. Rule number one: NEVER take a pressed pill. That’s important, so I’m going to say it again. Never, ever take a pressed pill. Why? Go check out any of the the pill testing results out there. It’s a real mixed bag, you might get anything in a pressed pill. Chances are, its not MDMA. Chances are, that pill you are about to eat is garbage.
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Scroll down to the 2008 subject index, under “Ecstasy” to get an idea of what I’m talking about. Most pills don’t contain any MDMA, or if they do it gets mixed with all kinds of weird shit. Party pills are almost never clean.

From EcstasyData.org, 1996-2009:
MDMA only: 36.3%
MDMA + something: 19.9%
No MDMA: 43.7%
Maybe some people feel happy playing pressed pill roulette, but not me! Five times in my life I have broken this rule. One time I got a good pill of MDMA, the other four times I got other stuff. One pill was MDA, which was actually pretty nice. The other times, I got a bogus pill (did nothing), a weird mixed pill which made me feel sick, and a party pill that was probably piperazines + ketamine or something like that. Gross

Rule number two: NEVER take MDMA with a harmala alkaloids (MAOI). This rule I’ve never broken. Why shouldn’t you do this? Simple: You might die. Serotonin syndrone sounds severely unpleasant and is potentially fatal. Vomitting, trouble regulating body temperature, delerium, possibly seizures. No high is worth that.

So those are my rules. Other than this, Erowid has a lot of good suggestions of things you should and shouldn’t do, if choosing to engage in this substance. Over the years, I have done everything you aren’t supposed to do. Such as… taking extremely large doses, redosing, redosing again and again long past the point of reason and moderation. Taking the drug is hot environments and dancing for hours, not replenishing fluids properly and thus having my electrolyte balance thrown off. Not sleeping and not eating properly. Taking the drug two or three days in a row. Using the drug frequently, in a recreational and abusive manner. Occasionally being subjected to speedy cut MDMA despite seeking out “pure” powder. Everything you aren’t supposed to do, is what I’ve done. Thus, I am in a good position to comment on the less-than-optimal drug experiences.

I do try and take some precautions to reduce the risks of my use. These include, doing my best to stay well hydrated (including balancing electrolytes), and trying to stay well rested and well fed. Trying to enter the experience in a good set and setting, and to be feeling good in my body. Eating lots of gogi berries and other foods high in antioxidants. If I take care of myself before, during and after then the negative effects and aftereffects can be greatly reduced. I’ve had amazingly beautiful experiences as well as amazing brutal ones.

So, you want to know more about MDMA? First of all, you’d better make sure your product is clean. Take the baggie and rub it between your fingers. If you feel any grittiness, like little crystal shards, throw it out because it is cut with speed. Or give it to your friend who was labelled “ADHD” and medicated with stimulants as a kid. At least he will appreciate it. Trust me, you don’t want speedy MDMA.

Let’s start with dosage. On Erowid it says:
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Oral MDMA Dosages
Threshold   30 mg
Common for small or sensitive people   50 - 75 mg
Common for most people   75 - 125 mg
Common for large or unsensitive people   125 - 175 mg
Required by few (side effects increase)   200 + mg
Now let’s discuss Papy’s own dosage scale:

Threshold dose: 60-75 milligrams. This is actually a very nice level, usually. It gives me a burst of energy and a radiance of mood. Nothing strong or overwhelming, just a nice mild enhancement. This is a good level for dancing, for enjoying social situations, or to enhance one of your favourite psychedelics. Half a dose at the tail end of your acid trip can brighten your party up beautifully. At this level, there is only the gentlest of come-downs, and almost no after effects. This level seems well tolerated by the body.

Normal dose: 125-150 milligrams. This level takes me deeper in, giving me that true euphoria and empathogenic effect that I love so much.

200 mg is where Erowid’s dosage scale ends, however this is where the real fun begins. As you step up the dose of MDMA, the effects can actually increase in a greater-than-linear fashion. I find that 200 mg is a really nice starting dose. Take it all at once, the feeling when it comes on is unbelievable. Absolute openness and rising euphoria. It is fucking incredible. But that’s the thing about MDMA, isn’t it? It is too easy to love. How can you not love it?

300 mg used to be my standard dose. I used to be of the opinion that “if you aren’t doing 300 mg, then you aren’t getting the full effect!” Which is true. 300 mg of clean, pure MDMA can make trees turn into butterflies and have you flying at altitudes unlimited. This stuff does become pretty hallucinogenic at high doses, the visual effects remind me a lot of cactus or 2C-I. Warm colour enhancement and some geometric patterning. If you want to really know what it’s like to be “high as a kite” then this is it. Honestly, this is as high of a dose that anyone should take I feel. Anything over three hundred miligrams is overkill, you don’t get the same quality of high and the after effects become much worse. All you get over 300 mg is more of a speedy high, not the warmth and euphoria.

Redosing: As I was saying, 300 mg of clean MDMA is incredible. Here’s the thing about doing so much, though: When you start to come down, you are going to want to do more. I can almost guarantee it. Coming down from the clouds with a bump isn’t fun. Why not just do some more? Bump… bump… another 100 mg maybe, or 200. Thus I get sucked into the vicious cycle of redosing. Each time, the “come-up” high is less intense and lasts for a shorter period of time. Even though I know it is not worth it, the desire and compulsion to do more is strong. As with most addictive drugs, as the quality of the experience drops off, paradoxically the feeling of satisfaction after taking the drug rises.

Once upon a time I was at a music festival. My friend suggested eating some chocolate mushrooms, which I took him up on. He said they were very clear headed and easy on the body, and I trusted him. So we each ate about 4 grams worth. Perhaps my memory was a little scrambled from doing around 200 mg of MDMA the night before. Anyway, we chatted and forgot entirely about eating the mushrooms. Five minutes later, we thought it would be fun to do some MDMA. 150 mg? Why not take two, he said… Sure, 300 mg it is. Only after swallowing the capsules did I remember about the mushrooms. Wow, this is going to be some ride! And it was. Un.Believable. In.Fucking.Credible.

However, we started doing little “top up” doses. Having started early in the afternoon, suddenly I found it was 5 AM. I had taken around 750 mg total of MDMA that night. Plus a drop of liquid acid in the evening, and the mushrooms which had long since worn off. It was chilly in the pre-dawn time, and I was wearing shorts, a t-shirt and no shoes. I was coming down, sketched out, anxious. I was pretty freaked out and for the first time in my life, I found myself walking towards the Sanctuary space, “a calm space for people who have partied too high and for too long.” The girl who looked after me was nice, she brought me a blanket and a cup of chamomile tea, enquiring as to my liquid and food intake after I described my situation. I felt tired and lay down on a bed to catch a few hours rest. Too much, I said to myself. Too much MDMA, too often.

Despite the experience of the night before, the next night I was back in the swing of things. I ate a couple HBWR seeds, and was chewing quids of kratom since it seemed to balance my mood and bring back the effects of the MDMA somewhat. Over the course of the night I ingested another 600 mg. Stupid? Yes. Honestly, it is never worth it to dose MDMA three days in a row. On the second day you can still get high by ramping up the dose, but by the third day my mind and body have nothing left to give. Instead of warmth, empathogenesis and euphoria, there is only an anxious speedy feeling and still that desire to do more. To finish up the dirty little buzz I was creating, I snorted a bump of cocaine cut with speed and had a drag off a cigarette. I had never smoked or done cocaine before. At dawn, I dropped the final capsule of MDMA. The high was good for awhile, but when I came down it was brutal. I had a vision of the destruction of humanity and cried for hours, feeling totally broken.

So if you do the math, you can see that I did about 1.5 grams over three days. The after effects of such a binge can range from shitty to really awful, depending on the quality of the MDMA. It runs my immune system down a lot, making it easy to get sick. You also have to recover from the sleep and food debts accumulated. Sometimes I would get dizzyness or vertigo sensations for a couple days. Sometimes sleep cycles are disrupted for a couple days. The emotional crash can be pretty mild and okay, or I may feel super emotional and burnt out. I definitely brought some strife into my relations with those I love due to post-binge moodiness.

Ahh, MDMA. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times. First it giveth, then it taketh away. These days, I have lost my enrapturement with the substance. I feel I should take MDMA very infrequently if at all, and never take too high of a dose. Honestly 75 mg is enough for a rush of energy and some nice but mild empathogenic effects. I feel this would be a good dose for party situations, and I could easily extend and amplify the effects with a good jar of kratom tea. Kratom synergizes nicely with MDMA, amplifying the warm fuzzy feeling and easing the comedown. I feel with such a low dose of MDMA the after effects are hardly noticeable.

Three to four months between doses seems the minimum needed to truly have my biochemistry back to normal functioning. It takes this long to truly clear the tolerance which builds to MDMA. Don’t kid yourself that it is possible to dose once a month and still get a good effect each time. Plus, in my experience once a month becomes every three weeks, which becomes twice a month, which becomes weekly. One of them slippery slopes, I guess.

Ahh, MDMA. So long, bitch, I’ve found a new best friend. His name is mescalito. Ahh, mescaline! Better than the best MDMA could ever hope to be. Everything you love about acid and ecstasy without everything you hate about acid and ecstasy. Warm, fuzzy empathy, pleasing sensory enhancement and geometric visuals. Not pushy like either of those substances. Clear headed, not socially awkward. Energizing without being overstimulating. It feels like a very real experience, not one that is over-the-top and a little fake.

Ahh, mescaline. This is what it would be like, if MDMA took five hours to finish coming up and another seven hours before you came down. It is like rolling for twelve hours, except after four or five the visual effects really pop out. Ahh, mescaline. That perfect feeling of serene contentment that you bring. True peacefulness, compassion and connection on all levels of being.

You’re best bet for mescaline is to get some peruvian torch cactus. The proper preparation is to make a concentrated tea. This takes time but is well worth it. For peruvian torch, the right dose is as much as you can stomach. Drink the tea until your stomach tells you no more. When even the thought of another sip makes you queasy, then you have had enough. Depending on how clean you are in body and mind going into the trip, and how well you have prepared the cactus, you may be able to stomach as much as 50 grams of cactus. Twenty to thirty grams is enough for a good effect, but the trip is pretty subtle in many ways. I have always felt I could go comfortably deeper, even on high doses.

To prepare the cactus, weigh out your intended dose (up to 50 grams per person) and crush it to a powder in a mortar and pestle. Get a really big stock pot, add the cactus to the bottom and fill up generously with water. The key to cactus is pretty constant stirring as well as low heat. The heat should never be raised about a light simmer, and the contents need to be stirred frequently so they don’t fall to the bottom of the pot and burn. Caramelized cactus tastes pretty gross, believe me.

Anyway, you want to do four boilings of the plant material for three hours each time. The first boiling you will notice that the cactus swells up as it absorbs water, and becomes thick and slimy. Three hours of boiling is enough to break down this slime layer and allow you to filter the cactus through a fine mesh bag (I use sprouting bags, they work much better than a t-shirt or something like that). The liquid is squeezed out of the cactus marc, which is then returned to the pot for the next boiling. Each boiling becomes progressively lighter in colour.

As you are doing the last three boilings, you can start reducing the first wash of liquid. Put it in a big pot and keep it on quite low heat. The reduction pot does not need to be stirred frequently like the boiling pot, since most of the plant material has been filtered out. You want the liquid to be just warm enough to steam, not so hot as to bubble at all. Slow reduction is key to having a drinkable tea. As the second, third and fourth boilings are finished, you can strain them and add the liquid to your reduction pot.

All told, it will take you about two days to process the cactus. Usually I can do three boilings and start the reduction on the first day, and do the final boiling and final reduction on the second day. Reduce the liquid to a volume you feel would be easy to drink in several sips, but not so far that it becomes thick and caramelized. I usually reduce to the point that individual doses are around half a cup of liquid.

The advantage of doing this lengthy prepartion of the cactus is that you can stomach a much larger amount of cactus. Remember the first boiling, when the cactus swelled up and got all slimy? If you eat the straight cactus, it does that in your stomach which is pretty gnarly. When properly prepared as tea, the body load is pretty manageable.

It is a good idea to eat a light meal a couple hours before drinking the cactus. Complex carbohydrates are good to give you energy throughout the trip, but avoid heavy foods like nuts or meat. When you drink the cactus tea, have a dish of sliced citrus fruit (limes or oranges work best) to suck on after taking a sip. The acids in the citrus neutralize the bitter taste of the alkaloids immediately. If you have done a good job preparing the tea, it will taste vaguely sweet alongside the alkaloidal bitterness. It is good to drink the tea slowly over an hour or more, to ease the body into the trip.

You will feel the cactus almost immediately, it has a powerful presence in the body. Very medicinal feeling. It takes four to five hours for the cactus to get into full swing. Unlike most drugs, the worst part of a cactus trip comes at the beginning. Your stomach may feel a little tight and burbly for the first two or three hours, and the initial come-up is stimulating enough to sometimes cause a mild anxiousness. Once you make it through the first three hours, it is smooth sailing. If you feel inclined, a little pot can calm the nauseous body load nicely.

So if you are thinking about getting into MDMA, try to stick with the suggestions on Erowid. Don’t do too much, too often. Better yet, skip the MDMA and go straight to the cactus.

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« Reply #1 on: July 10, 2009, 04:31:27 PM »

Nice report. It was rather PIKAL like.
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« Reply #2 on: July 10, 2009, 04:44:12 PM »

Hm, dumping MDMA for mescaline huh?  I was a bit surprised by the turn the story took LOL... good stuff

I agree with X the real fun is well over the 100 mg range. 


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« Reply #3 on: July 10, 2009, 05:41:40 PM »

yea, that sounds like the old Papy! nobody could keep up with the old Papy cool namaste
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« Reply #4 on: July 10, 2009, 06:29:51 PM »

a great mdma guide, trip report, and a torch tek rolled in a big fatty. I smoked that shit and it was good! nice papy daaaaamn
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2009, 10:18:40 AM »

Thanks all  smiley
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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2009, 03:48:11 PM »

Mescaline is like MDMA's cooler, organic cousin. I love CACTI!
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« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2009, 04:17:44 PM »

i really feel you on the duality of MDMA, papyrifera.  and it's lost its appeal for me once i've realized that i need to take a lot of emptiness and sadness along with the beauty and connection.

also, how anyone dances on it is beyond me.  i've only ever taken it naked, in bed, and the idea of venturing beyond the bathroom to pee is terrifying.  usually i can barely walk. 
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« Reply #8 on: July 11, 2009, 04:38:18 PM »

What of MDMA at these levels, minus the other drugs?  Because, man, there were a lot of other drugs! cheesy
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« Reply #9 on: July 11, 2009, 05:08:45 PM »

What of MDMA at these levels, minus the other drugs?  Because, man, there were a lot of other drugs! cheesy
One has always been a fan of using MDMA to liven up a psychedelic trip. On its own, MDMA isn't quite as exciting. It is a very functional high, so it is easy to do stupid amounts over 2-3 days and not have (too many) people notice. Honestly the best trips one has had were all MDMA taken in combination with something else... cactus, mushrooms, LSD. The MDMA acts as a "seatbelt" for the psychedelic, keeping the trip light and happy through out. Oh yeah, MDMA is pretty amazing with DMT also. Really brings out the visual aspects as well as decreasing the threshold to break through substantially.

Dancing, sometimes one finds it easy to get into the groove with MDMA and dancing, at either a low dose (75-100 mg) or at a high dose (200-300 mg). But it is really music dependent, I would say. When rolling hard, really good psytrance can be enough to MAKE me get up and dance. Sometimes one has no choice and are simply sucked onto the dance floor  grin

Probably one will take MDMA again at some time, but the trick is not to slip back into using "too much, too often". Every time recently that one has got a little of the white powder hoping to use moderately and have it around for awhile, instead the opposite has happened. One got some MDMA around New Year's and took most of it within the first couple days. The rest was gone a week later. So after a three month break, one got a few more capsules and ran through all of those awfully quick. It is hard to have capsules or baggies of the powder hanging around, without taking them. Because it is such a functional high, and socially comfortable too, it is easy to take them in many different situations. Parties, or just hanging out at home. Its really fun to stay up all night smoking doobies and listening to music. MDMA always gives one lots of thoughts and ideas, which upon coming down are still cool ideas but sometimes unrealistic. Everytime one starts using MDMA again, the first couple experiences are pretty nice and then the quality quickly goes downhill. Tolerance to the drug builds incredibly fast nowadays.

So one is taking a break again, probably another three months. There is a first time for everything, this season, one went to a three day music festival and took no MDMA at all. The first night one took 1.5 grams of mushrooms with a hefty dose of mixed syrian rue alkaloid extract and caapi 100:1 extract. That provided a very long lasting, comfortably overwhelming and rather euphoric high. None of the push of MDMA, though one did enjoy dancing to good downtempo. Amazing lovemaking. The second day we went on a cactus adventure, inspiring the last half of this report. The cactus had many aspects one enjoys about MDMA, without most of the negative aspects. It doesn't make one feel empty and tired the day after, and lasts for hours and hours. Good stuff. Again, great love making and a very in-your-body trip. Good for dancing, but not frenetic energy like MDMA. Later that night some LSD was ingested, which threw one out of their body and into a chaotic and sometimes fearful trip. Perhaps one should have stuck strictly with the organics...

What one likes most about MDMA is the feeling when coming up... opening up, feeling that blissful expansion. The ability to melt and merge into someone when you hug them. It is the empathogenesis that keeps one coming back, despite the occasional bad experience. One does not regret any of their experiences with MDMA, they all taught something valuable. So probably, one will use it again and have the willpower not to dive too deep. Anything over 300 mg is too much, and using two days in a row should probably be avoided.
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« Reply #10 on: July 11, 2009, 05:18:00 PM »

Anyone combined MDMA with JWH-018 yet?

A previous experience where a small amount of JWH was smoked after a ~100 mg MDMA dose resulted in some profound visuals for around 30 minutes.  Things were kind of going double and such.  A second trial has yet to be realized... eventually it will...
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« Reply #11 on: July 12, 2009, 12:42:53 AM »

Does anyone else get MDMA flashbacks? Having danced all night on MDMA on many an occassion I only need to hear some rave-type music and I feel like I'm coming up. Perhaps it's just learned behaviour but it's great, kind of an MDMA freebie grin
Also, small doses are good for anxiety, even less than 30mg. I've been on low doses for job interviews and have got the jobs because I appear confident, relaxed and happy. I wish my doctor was allowed to prescribe it.

And thanks Papy for the comparison with Mescaline, not tried it but will keep a look out  smiley
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« Reply #12 on: July 12, 2009, 06:01:48 PM »

I would say with mdma, more so than other drugs, the type of feeling is more of an increase of something that is always present, perhaps more than ever experienced before...but take a super joyous moment for someone - I'd wager similar areas of the brain are lit up. Perhaps hearing the music for you could be a similar experience as a father looking at a picture of his baby being born, as far as a real endorphin rush/flash back.

Ever dream about rolling? I've never been cracked out the next morning, that would suck. I usually enjoy those dreams Smiley

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« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2009, 06:40:16 PM »

I heard this analogy once and I found it very close to the feeling.  It's like that half a second RIGHT before you cum.  The best mdma high is that feeling for 4 hours.
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2009, 07:58:41 AM »

Does anyone else get MDMA flashbacks? Having danced all night on MDMA on many an occassion I only need to hear some rave-type music and I feel like I'm coming up. Perhaps it's just learned behaviour but it's great, kind of an MDMA freebie grin

I often get little shivers when listening to stuff like Shpongle, Shulman or Entheogenic.

My problem with MDMA nowadays is that the high is all very dopey and hollow feeling.  Feels nice to sit around and close my eyes and sway to the music, but I don't feel the empathogenic effects all that much anymore, nor the stimulation to get up and dance.  It's kind of an empty body high, like morphine or something.  Last time I did E, it was on top of a good mushroom high, and when the pills (which had been tested as MDA, and also taste tested a week prior) kicked in, I found myself wondering often why I had taken them, as I was immediately back to that lackluster space of facile, faux-happiness.  These days, I much prefer a medium-light dose of LSD plus a couple beers to get me to that place of sheer celebration.  It's so much cleaner and electric and sincere.
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« Reply #15 on: July 20, 2009, 08:39:04 PM »

** The following is entirely fictional **

So lets say you are at a psytrance party. It's the last night, and it is 3:30 in the morning. A couple of your favourite DJs are due to come on. Having taken things easy so far, having taken mushrooms the night before and 2C-I that evening. But now, the 2C-I is starting to drop off and you want to stay up and dance, enjoy the music, explore heartspace.

So some guy you met sold you some MDMA. You enquired whether it was clean and pure, explaining how you aren't interested in speedy MDMA. He assures you it is good, clean stuff, and tells you the dose it was weighed out at (120 mg). He seems honest and like he knows his stuff, so you trust him.

And eat that little capsule. When it kicks in, an intense comeup feeling. Anxiousness. Something empathogenic there, for sure... but soon the feeling shifts to just an emptiness, a heaviness inside the heart. Very anxious and needing to walk around. You don't dance to the music, you aren't enjoying yourself. Fuck, speedy MDMA. It makes you feel hollow and empty, and puts a bad spin on the end of a great festival. Heavy doses of kratom tincture and smoking bowls of sacred lotus to take the edge off.

You hope you can run into that guy again and tell him his product is shwaggy gross speedy MDMA, not fit for human consumption, but you don't see him again.

Fuck speedy MDMA.
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2009, 08:44:10 PM »

you sure that's speedy MDMA and not just zapped serotonin reserves?
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« Reply #17 on: July 20, 2009, 08:49:55 PM »

Sounds like it could boil down to "Fuck speed." If it's speedy, it's not MDMA.
I know what you mean though.

But, it is good in some settings. Definitely not a dance setting, but I've had good times staying up till the wee hours of the morning talking with friends on some speedy rolls.
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2009, 10:09:41 AM »

you sure that's speedy MDMA and not just zapped serotonin reserves?
100% sure. It has been almost three months, so one's tolerance is low. Also one's dosing partner has never taken the substance frequently, and has not used in over eight months. She experienced the same gross speedy feelings. I know what really good quality MDMA is like, but unfortunately most people never get to experience the pure substance. It makes me sad, that the MDMA facilitated ecstatic dance experience has been turned from something so beautiful, into something that instead is used to addict people to little party pills. The nature of the experience shifts in a dark direction.

In the words of Ann Shulgin,
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« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2009, 03:46:05 PM »

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These statements and statements like these are all subjective of course.   cool

MDMA IS speedy somewhat!  It is SUPPOSED to be!  Similar things are happening, of course!

Think of the head tingles.  Or the jaw shifty's. smiley  Present with either or!  Speediness....
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« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2009, 06:01:50 PM »

Sorry, I suppose that statement was confusing. I was using 'speed' as a proper noun to mean amphetamines, etc, not the subjective adjective.
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« Reply #21 on: August 17, 2009, 06:03:14 PM »

MDMA IS an amphetamine, so it's totally going to have at least a minor similarity in it's effect.

That said, pure MDMA should have a definite 'dopey' effect to it, imo.
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« Reply #22 on: December 02, 2009, 03:46:13 PM »

thats why i always use a test kit undecided
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« Reply #23 on: December 03, 2009, 05:15:40 PM »

From my understanding a test kit can tell you that there is MDMA there, but it could still be cut with speed. Correct me if I'm wrong?
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« Reply #24 on: December 03, 2009, 09:16:21 PM »

From my understanding a test kit can tell you that there is MDMA there, but it could still be cut with speed. Correct me if I'm wrong?

Entirely true.  Just because a test kit picks up on an MD* chemical it does not mean that that is the only active chemical present.
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« Reply #25 on: December 03, 2009, 09:23:00 PM »

yeah, unless you run TLC, there isn't any way to know for sure...
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« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2009, 09:32:37 PM »

Some mixed MDMA / amphetamine pills gave a nice bright orange/red color from the test kit once.  As reference MDMA is supposed to be dark purple, while amphetamines yellow.  So you can tell a bit... this pill was verified to have both on the pillreports website first which helps explain the coloring results.  The ratio of one to another probably plays a large role in determining what you see though.  A high percentrage MDMA pill could just turn dark purple and mask the amphetamines I'd expect.
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« Reply #27 on: December 06, 2009, 05:17:44 PM »

A high percentrage MDMA pill could just turn dark purple and mask the amphetamines I'd expect.

Yep.
While it may be a smaller dose than the MDMA its possible it could be enough to give you an adverse effect.
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