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 Pip's Oral DMT Guide

[Noman]

This is the best guide I've found for oral dosing DMT. It was written by Pip at the now defunct DMT World - I'm sure that if he's around somewhere, he'd be glad to see it posted.
http://www.megaupload.com/?d=0FKPSS8C

[ST1R]

Sweet!

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Can we just put the text up here on the site?  Or is the PDF preferred for some reason?  It is kind of long but it might be more convenient for people to have direct access to the text without going through the file sharing site...

[farmerjack]

Here it is.

Pip's Oral DMT Guide

[Noman]

Do as thou wilt.
I prefer reading PDF's when they're long documents, but that's me.

[Papyrifera]

Nice find 

[Banked]

This is an excellent and well read document! Thanks for the upload! 

[Moo]

The PDF format is great for me.  I thank ya.  PDF's print off nice to take home....

To the home.....

Take the papers to the home

... To the home..

 ....Hard-bound with sheep's skin in an iron casket. 

[Papyrifera]

Was wondering if this would be a good way to try "pharmahuasca":

Take a small gelcap and fill it with the desired dose of DMT. Then place that capsule inside of a large (00 or 000) gelcap filled with harmala alkaloids. Since it takes 15-30 minutes for the stomach acids to eat through a gelcap, the outer layer would be eaten through first and give the harmala 15-30 minutes to take effect before the DMT is released into the stomach.

Also has anyone tried mixtures of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT orally? Judging by the effects on smoking one would expect a much greater intensity and force to the experience.

[Jah PM]

Good document. I found one small part in the intro was kind of odd though. Am I missing something?

It is found in over 1000 species of plants and animals (most of which haven't
even been discovered to have DMT in them yet), including human beings.

I've heard that DMT is in all kinds of organisms as well, but he's suggesting that he knows that the number of organisms is "over 1000", but how does he know that if most haven't been discovered to have DMT?

[Noman]

Yeah, he blew it there, didn't he?

Papy - that sounds like a good method, but for me at least, refined DMT and oral use add up to nothing but a too intense, yet disappointing trip.

[Papyrifera]

I think you've mentioned before that a full-spectrum extract has a more rewarding effect? Is that true for just Mimosa or Psychotria as well?

[Noman]

Never extracted psychotria. It's true for chaliponga though.

[Papyrifera]

for me at least, refined DMT and oral use add up to nothing but a too intense, yet disappointing trip.

What kind of doses were used in such experiments, out of curiosity?

[Noman]

What kind of doses were used in such experiments, out of curiosity?

100mg water clear crystal DMT from MHRB and 200mg harmala freebase fron rue.

[photon]

i heard that this dude has some red/orange dmt.  they asked me about it.  i don't know enough about it to tell them anything worth opening my mouth for.  i think these people planned on taking it orally.  i suggested they do more research.  anyone have any thing they could point me to.  no worries if no... i am out there doing my own research.  peace 

[Noman]

Well, Pip has it pretty well covered as far as oral use goes. The main point is they'll need an MAOI to make it orally active.
Here's a great thread specifically on red (dark) DMT:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-tank/33299-jungle-spice-mystery-alkaloids-mimosa-root-bark.html

[photon]

thanks 

peace

[Papyrifera]

Here's a great thread specifically on red (dark) DMT:
http://forums.mycotopia.net/holding-tank/33299-jungle-spice-mystery-alkaloids-mimosa-root-bark.html

A good read indeed. The whole jungle spice thing is fascinating and confusing!

A couple observations someone told me that may be relevant to this topic:
1) When pulling MHRB in a straight-to-base with naptha, sometimes the tan/yellow crystals and the white crystals would actually form completely distinct from each other, in the same jar. Over time (several days) it was observed that the white crystals were dominant in the early days, and more tan/yellow crystals came out in the later days.

2) When combining a slightly tan/yellow DMT extract with slightly off-white/tan synthetic 5-MeO-DMT, it was observed that over time the mixture became dark red in colour and more waxy in texture, but retained full potency. That's pretty intriguing.

I think possible oxidation products here need more research. Traditional preps of Anadenanthera seeds involve basification followed by an oxidative curing process, that is an important part of preparing a strongly psychoactive mixture. Potentially the basification in a straight to base extraction is converting some of the DMT/whatever to other compounds. One has observed a prep of Anadenanthera colubrina seeds change from creamy white to dark yellow/orange over time, basified only with baking soda.

I've always wondered if there is 5-MeO-DMT in Mimosa sometimes. The synthetic stuff can be slightly tan in colour, and is more potent by weight than straight DMT. A mixture of the two is more potent and involving than either substance separately, and when burned the 5-MeO-DMT has a more sweet, grape-like smell than the plastic-fantastic of DMT. This matches some people's descriptions of yellow/waxy MHRB isolates. And if mixtures of DMT and 5-MeO-DMT can oxidize, changing colour to dark red and possibly changing the nature of the experience also... well that might explain some of what has been observed.

[Noman]

Were those crystals the result of a freeze precip or an evap?

Oxidation is indeed involved in some of the colored DMT - DMT N oxide. It's usually the culprit when one gets oily goo instead of crystal.
Some say they prefer it.

[Papyrifera]

Freeze precipitation.