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 Piracetam, too good to be true?

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

I obtained a bottle of Piracetam 800mg pills earlier this week.  Today is Friday and after three consecutive days of use (day 1: 2400mg, day 2: 2400mg, day 3: 3200mg) am incredibly surprised and delighted with its effects. 

The bottle says take 1-6 daily and you should notice effects in a week or so.  Or if you want faster onset, take 6-12 (!) daily.  Well I don't know if it's me or what but the 3 I took on day 1 were enough to send me through the roof.  I must acknowledge that I am taking this in the morning along with my daily caffeine dose (usually Spike energy drink [300 mg caffeine] or coffee [black, I make it as strong as humanly possible]) so I do not know if this changes things a little as I have heard they do synergize a bit.

However I have been on an absolute productivity tear the past 3 days.  No feelings of ADD at all any time during the day.  No trouble sleeping at night.  Very little comedown effect.  The effects seem very similar to adderall just a little less speedy & euphoric and not nearly as hard on your stomach. 

So I am wondering, how long can I use the stuff before the goodness wears off?  Should I cycle my uses for only days when I really need to do a lot?  I am a bit of a believer that I have ADD/ADD-type problems but couldn't convince a doctor to prescribe me adderall for the life of me due to the fact that at first glance I do not appear to be someone who would appear to have problems focusing on things.  But that's ok adderall isn't something I want to be on every day anyways.  This piracetam stuff however is legal, reasonably priced and to me seems like it is 10X better than adderall's speedy, amphetamine ass could ever wish to be!

Then of course there's the reports about combining MDMA with piracetam.  Apparently it works with the MDMA and people generally don't need as high doses (someone has been known to down 4-5 good pills in one night...) to be rolling their balls off.  Well there will probably be some experimentation tonight in this regards.  Anyone have any comments about piracetam?  Withdrawal effects after mass use?  Anyone take it every day religiously?  Experience with MDMA?

[trylobeet]

I have used it, with no noticeable effects whatsoever.

knew a pusher who used to cut smack with powdered piracetam.  inert enough, apparently..

[prolixity]

I have gone through several kilograms of pirocetam in the last year.

My GPA is 3.8 as a chemistry major. 

I combine with 100mg 5-HTP (taken separately) every morning.

No negative effects.  I have no idea if it helps my studies; however, my scores place me 2-3 standard deviations above my peers without it anyway.

It is non-toxic enough that it's worth using, even without concrete evidence that it improves cognitive ability.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

I don't know if I am a unique case or more susceptible to its effects, but I was easily able to feel it within a few hours of taking the first dose.  I was surprised to say the least... 

[fort]

I've had similar effects.  In my experience, long-term use does not decrease its benefits, though the first day or two might be more potent than the rest.  After the initial boost, you will think it went away but then notice it build back up within 2 weeks.  There's plenty of Erowid reports touting long-term use.

Let us know if you start conjuring up memories from your childhood that were forgotten a long time ago.  That seems to be a peculiar side effect.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Hah I don't know about the childhood memories...

I went from 8-6 today non-stop though...

[fort]

Any increase in your verbal skills?  Ability to translate your thoughts into spoken and written words?

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Clearer thinking.  Pretty wired and in a good mood for the most part.  More willing to do work...

I did come up with some good new ideas for peptides this morning, so I guess yea some good thoughts were had at the least.  That's not to say this doesn't happen for me normally however....

[fort]

If you want to take the experiment a little further, you might try adding Gingo Biloba (a product that combines the leaf with the standardized extract is the best imo).  In my experience, piracetam works well with this, though you might find that you can make do with lowering your caffeine intake when using the combo. 

Lemme know how the effects unravel.  I've been itching to resume taking piracetam before I start my upcoming job hunt. 

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Yea I'm not sure about the whole making MDMA better thing; specifically not needing as much material to get good effects.  Although it is possible there has been too much use lately to notice much of a difference...  I think it may help with lessening the dumbness effect MDMA causes in days following use, perhaps just by giving you a little extra mental capacity to work with.       

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

My daily piracetam doses are up to oh 12 pills now.  That's like 12x800 mg = about a gram material.  I do take days off occasionally, especially if I plan on drinking anything at all.  I take 600 mg DMAE with it, along with a few hundred mgs acetyl-l-carnitine.  I'm not sure if the ALC does anything or not, but I have a huge bottle of it so why not...  Anyways yesterday I decided to take some of the 5-HTP I had laying around with it (at the suggestion of another member), started with just 1 100 mg'er.  About an hour later I noticed I was clenching my jaw, which continued pretty much throughout the day.  Then I made some long posts on here and got major work done on my presentation for next month.  I drew an entire lipid bilayer in powerpoint around a model of rhodopsin combined with the n-terminal binding domain of a different GPCR; it's fucking sweet.  But I was thinking that the 5-HTP might not be a bad additive to the piracetam.  Perhaps making it more euphoric...

I also read that for 5-HTP to be most effective you have to take a tyrosine supplement as well.  So I was also drinking my caffeine drinks which contain n-acetyl tyrosine, plus a few hours later I had some power drive pre-workout drink which contains pure tyrosine. The jaw kept clenching most the rest of the day and evening.... Today I took 2 100 mg 5-HTP pills with everything else.  We will see what happens...

[prolixity]

Still popping piracetam likes it's uh piracetam.  Still owning on the bitches in the chem department.  Still rocking the straight A's.

[trylobeet]

anyone ever tried DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) ?

also, isn't 5-HT a bit pricey? it is in the EU, that much i am certain of...

[Moo]

Still owning on the bitches in the chem department.  Still rocking the straight A's.

You go Boy-yee! 
*big dollah signs explode from 9's pimp hand as he smacks the unworthy lab student; a sigh of gratitude escapes the crowd*

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Pir is worth the cost...

I don't have a lot of the 5-HTP though so I probably won't keep it up long...

[tryp2fun]

My daily piracetam doses are up to oh 12 pills now.  That's like 12x800 mg = about a gram material.

Uh, isn't that about 10 grams?

[fort]

Uh, isn't that about 10 grams?

And we have our answer... too good to be true.      J/k.  I take a daily dose too, and its especially noticeable when working on projects that require creative thought.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

yea.  it must be working so well i forgot simple math in favor of higher methods of thinking... 

[Jah PM]

anyone ever tried DHEA (dehydroepiandrosterone) ?

Sounds lame to me. It can turn into estrogen just as easily as T from what I've read.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Yes DHEA is supposedly good for increasing T levels in older men.  I forget why youngins' don't receive the same benefit, but don't use it unless you are 50+.  Even then as Jah mentions, if it turned to estrogen easily, you would also need to stack it with an aromatase inhibitor to prevent this.

[Jah PM]

Is DHEA considered an androgen? If not, an aromatase inhibitor shouldn't help.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

It is a precursor to the more powerful ones... it's amazing it's still legal to sell OTC: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dehydroepiandrosterone

The path is like this: DHEA --> Andro --> Test --> Est

[Narkissos]

Anyone have any experience with the pCPA+DMAE combination centrophenoxine? Sound worth considering, possibly in tandem with piracetam?

[fort]

I haven't tried centrophenoxine, but I took DMAE, choline, piracetam, as well as ginkgo extracts on a regular basis.

[DrYRHead]

Piracetam does, indeed, seem like a good one. As I put down in the other thread too.

"Piracetam is a nootropic. It is a drug which is claimed to enhance cognition and memory, slow down brain aging, increase blood flow and oxygen to the brain, aid stroke recovery, and improve Alzheimer's, Down syndrome, dementia, and dyslexia, among others.[1] Piracetam's chemical name is 2-oxo-1-pyrrolidine acetamide; it shares the same 2-oxo-pyrrolidone base structure with 2-oxo-pyrrolidine carboxylic acid (pyroglutamate). Piracetam is a cyclic derivative of GABA. It is one of the racetams. Piracetam is prescribed by doctors for some conditions, mainly myoclonus,1 but is used off-label for a much wider range of applications."


Source: From Wiki; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam
 

[foreward]

I have no opinion about the therapeutic use of piracetam, but I have predosed piracetam with everything I have encountered. It intensifies everything, but also makes the experience more "vivid". Most notably, it will completely lift the DXM haze while making the MDMA-like effects way far more pronounced, it makes pot last FOREVER and much more visual.

While some are weary of using piracetam with psychedelics, I have never felt it was "too much". It does intensify, but also clarifies the experience. I've used it in the past with MJ, 2C-e, DXM, LSA just to name a few. Ofcourse, do your own investigations here, but personally I'd recommend it with everything I've tried so far.

[trylobeet]

most my experience with piracetam actually is putting it in my detox banks with the vitamins and glucose.
neat.
when you need sleep, they spike ya with piracetam.
maybe i should give it a try some of these days?

[Newfound_wonder]

Where can I get a hold of Piracetam?  Can I find it at a GNC or a health-food store?  Do I have to order it online?

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

I haven't seen any local stores cool enough to sell it.  Online is the place...

It is good stuff.  I can read so much more on a daily basis with it.

[trylobeet]

it's fairly widespread.
google your way through.
don't know the generic for your area.
in europe, its sold in most pharmacies.
prices vary considerably.
i think it would fit just nicely into the "adaptogenics" thread if we expand it to chemicals as well.