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 Differences in action of GBL, GHB and its salts

[you]

So over all the wild wild web and in special on the drug related boards, yes even in more or less scientific articles there is talk about the differences in the short time and long time action of GBL and GHB (and salts thereof) + the impact on health.
And seriously, about everything is pretty much bullshit.

So lets get this started: What are the differences by EXPERIENCE?

[pharmanimal78]

Fantastic, consuming, uninhibited sexual activity!!!! 

Weight loss. Better skin. Accelerated healing. Great sleep & more energy when awake. A general sense of well being throughout the day & most definitely when under the influence!  :lol:

Granted, this is not anything but perhaps, 5 or 6 months of experience. But it seems to be the case for both Pinky & I.

We love it. It's most definitely a favorite. 

[Noman]

I've had two experiences once 2g oral and once 4g oral and both had an effect that I can only describe as mild.
A nice buzzy contentment, bit of motor skills loss, pleasant. I imagine that it would be a wonderful drug for coming down from heavy psychedellics.
Nothing as profound as I've heard reported though.

[pharmanimal78]

Yeahbut.... yer one of those hard of head types...

No, wait... I mean... oh hell...  :lol:

[you]

Different effects on high and health:

- GBL: Kicks in fast, doesnt last as long as GHB-salt, no differences if used on full or empty stomach, causes dehydration and mild bowel movements. Craving for food.
- Na-GHB: Slow onset, more a "body-high"excellent for getting into a sexual stupor. Craving for food. Causes massive potassium depletion and made me a hell of a sick because of this. Taking it with tomatojuice levels this a bit.
- Mixture of Na and K-GHB (60/40): Same as Na-GHB but without the negative health effects. Recommended. No craving for food. Tomatojuice makes this even better, I guess this acts like a kind of Na/K buffer. Will try Na/K-GHB in a 30/70 mix next for I came to the belief that I have a sodium problem anyways.

GBL is stronger. 1ml GBL resembles about 1,5ml GBL turned into a GHB salt in effects although the GHB effects are longer lasting.
Generous doses of GBL and GHB cause excessive hornyness. Even higher doses cause acute stupidity and a little clumsyness, cutting the IQ by at least 20%. But who needs a brain to fuck? 
GBL/GHB and some beer go great together. Stronger alcoholic drinks not.
Sudden fatigue whilst under the influence is avoided or immediately cured by some high sugar soda (say Coca Cola or such) and/or a bar of chocolate (100g).

This are preliminary results and reflect only my own experiences.

I would say that potassium supplementation is a must when GBL or Na-GHB is used in doses over 8ml GBL/day aka 11g Na-GHB. At lower doses it is recommended. Some other minerals might be in order too, Ca, Mg and such. Some Zn maybe.
The craving for food noticed by so many users of GBL or Na-GHB looks to me like it is caused by the potassium depletion. The body cries for food to replentish K and thats that. An interesting twist. Now it looks like I can use my favorite drug AND lose weight easily, that would be great.

[prolixity]

I have no point of comparison since I've only sampled 1,4 butanediol. 

I noticed that, dissolved as well it could in 10 Oz cranberry juice (with 1oz sprite added for further flavor masking) subjects could not differentiate between virgin and 1mL dosages.  2mL dosages were detectable, although to naive subjects, the flavor registered as merely "a weird taste".

Participants reported feeling slightly "heady" and such about 20 minutes after ingestion.  One participant, a door-to-door magazine salesperson (trying to earn tuition for "college" - sure) had to leave to resume her route at about this point.  Several people in the apartment complex probably owe me a LOT of thanks for the good times afterward.

[pharmanimal78]

I've heard some people complain of mild back/neck pain from using GBL. It's never been an issue with me so I dunno what's up with that. Nodding off in unnatural positions? 

[farmerjack]

I have no point of comparison since I've only sampled 1,4 butanediol. 

I noticed that, dissolved as well it could in 10 Oz cranberry juice (with 1oz sprite added for further flavor masking) subjects could not differentiate between virgin and 1mL dosages.  2mL dosages were detectable, although to naive subjects, the flavor registered as merely "a weird taste".

Participants reported feeling slightly "heady" and such about 20 minutes after ingestion.  One participant, a door-to-door magazine salesperson (trying to earn tuition for "college" - sure) had to leave to resume her route at about this point.  Several people in the apartment complex probably owe me a LOT of thanks for the good times afterward.

ix (pbuh), am I reading this right? you dosed someone without their informed consent? doesn't sound like you.

[prolixity]

Ixington Steele, am I reading this right? you dosed someone without their informed consent? doesn't sound like you.

Nah, they all knew what they were in for.  This was back before the laws changed anyway - check the date of the thread - and this specific test had been performed in 2001 or so.

[Mens Rea]

I took 2mL of GBL pretty recently, and it didn't do anything to me. 3.4mL on an empty stomach was the last time I felt something good on it, in combination with a wine cooler and 30mg temazepam. It had a very slow onset, took roughly 40 minutes to kick in and an hour and a half to peak. Around the same time as 1,4BDO but I knew it wasn't BDO because it didn't have the oily texture. The only thing I didn't like about it was when I woke up, I felt like I was EXTREMELY spun out of my mind, but not in a good way. My mind was racing all frantic, I think I woke up hours later and typed up a storm about nothing.

Also Mis, I have noticed weight loss too, but I thought I was imaging it. What is that from, really?

[Mens Rea]

Nah, they all knew what they were in for.  This was back before the laws changed anyway - check the date of the thread - and this specific test had been performed in 2001 or so.

Yeah, but for what purpose would somebody conduct this kind of "study?" Call me paranoid, but I can only think of one good reason: to find out how to adequately drug somebody without them finding out. Thanks a lot. Next time I wake up in the mental institution and I die of drought I'm blaming YOUR ass.

[prolixity]

Yeah, but for what purpose would somebody conduct this kind of "study?" Call me paranoid, but I can only think of one good reason: to find out how to adequately drug somebody without them finding out. Thanks a lot. Next time I wake up in the mental institution and I die of drought I'm blaming YOUR ass.

Taste testing something to find the best tasting solvent/drug ratio does not imply anything untoward.  You people have no appreciation for the application of science by laymen.

 

   

[pharmanimal78]

I do too! I find that a cheap, nasty shiraz or pinot hides GBL's nasty ass flavor better than just about anything else... Of course, NaGHB is tasteless aside from salt. Never had 1,4-BDO but would love to experiment. 

[Mens Rea]

Pshhhhh you science people haven't mastered the art of...  living with nasty drinks. All you have to do is take a mouthful of Coca-Cola, shoot the syringe full of G towards the back of your throat while the coke is still in your mouth (and don't actually make it touch any part of your mouth, shoot it in the pool of soda TOWARDS the back of yout mouth), and you have to swallow almost instantly after, and the taste won't linger. Then it's not even that bad... don't waste your time gurgling or sitting there looking all stupid either. Now be careful, if you do this the wrong way the G could end up going down your airpipes and set you vomiting. It'll take you a few tries.




Also, I've noticed G tolerance develops very quickly; much more quickly then benzo tolerance. Even using only every 3-4 days, I find in a matter of merely 2 weeks I was increasing dose by 1.5mL's.

[pharmanimal78]

Of course while NaGHB is only salty, GBL is somewhat caustic to the tissues when uncut, so I prefer to add it to the diliuent rather than vice versa... 

[Noman]

I do too! I find that a cheap, nasty shiraz or pinot hides GBL's nasty ass flavor better than just about anything else... Of course, NaGHB is tasteless aside from salt. Never had 1,4-BDO but would love to experiment. 

Ha!
I had GBL for the first time recently and I was expecting that salty taste and instead it tasted a LOT like 5MEO DiPT.
I freaked.
"Oh shit! What did I just take? How much? Should I puke?"
It got better.
I find GBL to be a lot stronger than GHB - I'm a bit of a GHB hardhead but 2ml of GBL had me buzzing nicely on a full stomach and with 4ml I could barely stand up but was happy to be sitting.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Pshhhhh you science people haven't mastered the art of...  living with nasty drinks. All you have to do is take a mouthful of Coca-Cola, shoot the syringe full of G towards the back of your throat while the coke is still in your mouth (and don't actually make it touch any part of your mouth, shoot it in the pool of soda TOWARDS the back of yout mouth), and you have to swallow almost instantly after, and the taste won't linger.

Why wouldn't you just make a mixed drink that way you can just drink it like anything else?  This is overkill!

[farmerjack]

  You people have no appreciation for the application of science by laymen.

 

ix (pbuh), apparently no one else appreciates your brand of humor.  that's funny.

[ST1R]

I've tried GBL mixed into a few things now. The worst was apple juice the best was pickle juice. By that I mean that Everything but the pickle juice tasted obscenely bad. GBL + PJ = salty pickle juice. I have heard that tomato juice is decent but I hate tomato juice.

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

Maybe you are not diluting enough?  Any sort of orange juice or fruity drink should be fine unless you have to most sensitive taste buds in the world...

[ST1R]

1ml Gbl to ~50ml of whatever

[Noman]

Jeez people, it's like two or three milliliters!
Just put it in a shot glass, top it off with water, and down the hatch!
It's not that bad.

[Mens Rea]

Why wouldn't you just make a mixed drink that way you can just drink it like anything else?  This is overkill!

And dilute my drugs? I'm sorry, you must not know who I am. No way, I am not going to have any of this "slow come-up" shit that you guys are always going on about.

[Mens Rea]

Okay, let's start this discussion over from the assumption that I am a dead serious person. In reality, I was not aware that 3mL of G is practically tasteless in a glass of OJ. Taken what I've experienced with hard liquor tasting it my very first time, not even half a gallon mixed with the smallest volume tasted good. Remembering that, I would rather just take the entire thing in a shot than sip through a big, bad-tasting drink. But I also remember what somebody said about intaking it with higher volume for maximum effect, so I'd always finish off the can of coke right afterwards. But if you guys are dead serious that this whole diluting business working, to the point that even a psychic police officer wouldn't even be able to catch its whiff, then I'll give it a shot.

[DPP]

Hmm, imo gbl mixes poorly with most carbonated things, for some reason it seems to really bring out the shitty taste, and it doesen't seem to have an odor/flavor untill it's mixed.  As far as good mixers, think dry fruit juice (tart cherry, pom, etc).

My body just hates it though.  My brain loved it, but afterwards I felt dirty.  Caused muscle aches, mild headaches, etc. every time.  Staying hydrated and eating healthy meals everyday seemed to help a good bit, but still got the runs nearly every time and it's powerful munchies are not conductive to a healthy lifestyle.  However the sex is great, like speed sex but sloppy (not too sloppy).  And what a libido!

Fun stuff, but in the end my body gets it's way.  Though going from "swimming" to sober in three hours is great.  Oh well, they're probably illegal by now anyway.

/waits for dateline to call it 'swimming'

[Mens Rea]

i found out 1, even 2ml gbl when mixed with a small glass of coke covers up the taste well. now i can connive my devious plan to spread an epidemic of spiked drinks in random clubs (concocted by none other than myself) and spread hysteria amuck the masses of the homosexual race. All this, for the purpose of raping them with something that they are repulsed by: THE FEMALE VAGINA. That's right take it, take it biatch, UNHHHHH YEaH!

[whateveryouwantmetobe]

I challenge you to spike a drink of mine and see what happens...

[Noman]

Uh, yeah Crys, it's obvious you're joking but let's not even joke about shit like that on a site like this - okay?

[Mens Rea]

I challenge you to spike a drink of mine and see what happens...

I know exactly what's going to happen if I say yes to this charade. I'm going to spike your drink so cleverly thinking that I've got you and I'm "da man," only to find out that when I was not looking you spiked mine with an even larger amount, or you switched drinks on me. You of course, would have prepared your plan fully in advance to conspire against me, and you would have hired several minions within the area as passserby distractions, only to help you once the timing was right. A few hours later and BAM, I wake up in a toolshed.

Okay I will stop. But that last post was not a joke. NEVER CONSENT TO SUCH A GAME, YOU WILL END UP BEING THE ONE THAT GETS FUCKED (at least in my head that's how the game works) But seriously, should we even be posting about how virtually un-noticeable G in a drink even is? Isn't it going to give some of the wrong viewers ahem, "ideas?"

[The_MadScientist]

Seen princess bride?

Just build your tolerance and dose both drinks, then you can't lose.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUee1WvtQZU

Unless then he doses your drink more, and you pass out, but...