Dosadi
RE: Which plants to use?
I have been scouring the net for bioassay reports, and here's the essence of
what I've found:
Acacia bark: 0.71% DMT
Mimosa root: 0.57% DMT
Virola shoots & flowers: 0.44% DMT
Desmanthus rootbark: 0.34% DMT
Phalaris: 0.17% DMT, 0.06% 5MeO
Given this, why is anyone screwing around with Phalaris at all? It looks pretty weak to me, and that percentage is the LARGEST one out of all the Phalaries assayed. It also contains 5MeO and none of the others do. All of the above materials are available from JLF, and the price difference is negligible - Virola bark was quite a bit cheaper than Phalaris, actually.
I think we are going to have to give up on getting smokeables out of Phalaris I have not found ONE reliable report of a true "flash" non-5MeO DMT trip coming out of a Phalaris extraction anywhere on the net. Visually hallucinogenic ayahuasca brews, yes. 5MeO "mystical plant" nonvisual smoking trips, yes. The true megahallucinogenic DMT flash, no. The shit's hard as hell for everyone to extract crystalline alakloids out of as well, and yet other people who have been muttering mysteriously around here about easily getting crystals have also been quite cagey about their plant sources.
Methinks they are using Acacia or Mimosa.
Scholar
RE: Which plants to use?
Dosadi, I have been looking for a list of plant material and it's corresponding DMT + 5-MEO levels to now which plant to start with....
Thank you for this info.
vine
RE: Which plants to use?
The majority of sources I've seen claim a pretty stable alkaloid content for mimosa of 1%, only one source claimed otherwise. (the .57% figure) DI is supposed to vary quite wildly in content.
--Vine
RWB
RE: Which plants to use?
I was cruising through another forum and I found these figures on alkaloid concentrations (sorry, can't vouch for the accuracy -- don't know source used by original poster):
Acacia maidenii bark (.36% nn-dmt)
Acacia phloebophylla leaf (.3% nn-dmt)
Acacia simplicifolia bark (.86% nn-dmt)
Desmanthus illinoensis rootbark (.34% nn-dmt)
Mimosa hostilis root(bark?) (.57% nn-dmt)
Virola theiodera (.44% nn-dmt)
Pilocarpus organensis (1.06% 5-meo-dmt)
Psichotra viridis leaf (.15-.2% nn-dmt)
Phalaris aquatica (.1-.17% nn-dmt)
Phalaris arundinacaea (.06-.16% nn-dmt)
meodipt
RE: Which plants to use?
ah was wondering if the Acacia bark is just the plants outer bark or if it is the root bark, Acacia S. seems the best one to go for, is it readily available from mail order or anyone from Austrailia....
Dragonspear de Heart
RE: Which plants to use?
I response to the Australia request, don't bother with the Acacia. Like Phalaris, Acacia species vary in potency. The most potent of the Acacia just happens to be the most rare in Australia, and only grows in isolated patches in North Queensland. I live in North Queensland, and I can't even find it!! Phalaris Aquatica is the absolute best material for extraction and I have seen university analysis of these younger plants containing anywhere up to 1.6% pure alkoloid. You be the judge I guess.
Now my question. There are no nurseries in AUS or NZ which supply Phalaris or Harmala (Syrian Rue). Infact, the dumb fucks haven't even heard of it here in North Queensland. Please help! I refuse to wait 3 months from some overseas company I have no way of chasing up! I just want some Phalaris, so help me if you can.
P.S. My Acacia experience was OK, but I only smoked it, had no MAOI's, and felt pleasant but with zero visuals. How disappointing is that!!!
mulga
RE: Which plants to use?
"Like Phalaris, Acacia species vary in potency. The most potent of the Acacia just happens to be the most rare in Australia, and only grows in isolated patches in North Queensland. I live in North Queensland, and I can't even find it!!"
You won't find acacia simplex in Nth Qld, it doesn't grow anywhere on the Australian mainland. It's from nearby pacific islands only. What the highest yeilding species is remains to be seen. All plants are variable!
"Phalaris Aquatica is the absolute best material for extraction and I have seen university analysis of these younger plants containing anywhere up to 1.6% pure >alkoloid. You be the judge I guess. Phalaris, it would appear, can be a very variable source, and possibly contains some pretty unpleasant extras.
"Now my question. There are no nurseries in AUS or NZ which supply Phalaris or Harmala (Syrian Rue). Infact, the dumb fucks haven't even heard of it here in North Queensland."
"Please help! I refuse to wait 3 months from some overseas company I have no way of chasing up! I just want some Phalaris, so help me if you can."
There are nurserymen that know about these plants. In temperate Australia phalaris is so ubiquitos that no one would bother selling it through a nursery. There are fields and fields of the stuff. You can purchase bulk quantities of various seed stock through agricultural supply houses, it is widely planted as a pasture grass. There are literally thousands of acres of phalaris in Australia. Syrian rue is naturalised in SA, and isolated in NSW and Vic. It's declared a noxious weed in SA so trade in the plant and viable seed is illegal under the noxious weeds act. I doubt that this species would do well in Nth Qld, it prefers a dry arid to semi-arid situation with a more mediterranean (drier summer) than Nth Qld affords.
Plants (rarely) and seed are available in a few places within Australia, try a search of Oz web sites, you might be surprised. With a fairly large middle eastern population in some areas a visit to your local middle eastern supplies shop might prove interesting and worthwhile as well.
"P.S. My Acacia experience was OK, but I only smoked it, had no MAOI's and felt pleasant but with zero visuals. How disappointing is that!!!" What acacia? was it an extract? bark? phyllodes? Answering those questions aren't necesary, as I'm assuming you dreamt it all up anyway... nudge nudge